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By Rhaokin 2012-12-02 16:52:24
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Asura.Lolserj said: »
I would never get atma's on Olaf, and I feel Reverie is a must

I knew there was something I could do to make up for my derpy lack of ghost. x.x
By volkom 2012-12-02 16:52:42
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Rhaokin said: »
Aside from the accidental wrong summoner spell, any constructive criticism? I never play Olaf but I watched Dyrus do it and felt confident against Irelia. :x

Good learning experience!



(Don't ask me why Elise built FH)

i say merc treads and should've worked towards a maw of malmoritius instead of getting negatron cloak
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By Bahamut.Serj 2012-12-02 16:59:22
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Rhaokin said: »
Aside from the accidental wrong summoner spell, any constructive criticism? I never play Olaf but I watched Dyrus do it and felt confident against Irelia. :x

Good learning experience!



(Don't ask me why Elise built FH)

Merc treads/tabi and reverie, randuin's. Atma's is generally pretty bad atm.

Doesn't always need FM, can build warmog's. I know Dyrus does that. If you're chasing people down with undertow you can constantly keep them slowed without it.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2012-12-02 17:02:26
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On the note of Maw, people think it's generally not worth upgrading from an early Hexdrinker until a last item if you still need the hexdrinker, as it's pretty inefficient gold wise to upgrade.

I haven't even really looked at it much tbh, just see a lot of pros, guides, and streams say that.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-12-02 17:05:44
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I think FoN or Banshee's are my normal MR items on olaf anyways
By volkom 2012-12-02 17:07:31
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he's an interesting champ with a lot of item builds.

heck could've even made shurelyas on him
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-12-02 17:07:32
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Rhaokin said: »
Asura.Lolserj said: »
I would never get atma's on Olaf, and I feel Reverie is a must

I knew there was something I could do to make up for my derpy lack of ghost. x.x

i normally take ghost and reverie on olaf to make up for the lack of gap closer
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-12-02 17:08:38
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volkom said: »
he's an interesting champ with a lot of item builds.

heck could've even made shurelyas on him

I'd probably say CDR olaf with things such as Reverie, FH, Zeke's, Omen is the most common/most optimal build out there atm
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By Rhaokin 2012-12-02 17:09:57
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I don't really want to count on FoN because by the time I start using it regularly it'll be gone :<
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-12-02 17:12:40
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well soon enough we'll see Spirit Visage as being a good defensive item to use against casters instead of just a utility item that adds a little bit of MR
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By Rhaokin 2012-12-02 17:16:37
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I found this amazing guide btw, tons of info for every solo top imaginable, how to play as/vs them, ability tips, and item suggestions.

All-inclusive Solo Top Guide!
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-12-02 17:31:43
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Seems more like a glossy info dump than something I'd rely heavily on. It gives a quick overview if you want to get a glance at a champ, but why not just read a comprehensive champ guide if you want to learn a specific champ?

The intro/general section is alright though.
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By Rhaokin 2012-12-02 18:43:59
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I use it for quick info to help counterpick
By volkom 2012-12-02 19:56:36
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By Avitori 2012-12-02 20:05:39
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Eh, that's just how team games are.
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By Shiva.Gansito 2012-12-02 20:44:31
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F*** the brakes, double throttle OP!!!
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By Asura.Dameshi 2012-12-02 20:59:03
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Cho mid OP. So very OP.
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By Carbuncle.Cardinalgate 2012-12-02 21:29:42
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cho at all you can eat
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By Rhaokin 2012-12-03 02:27:12
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Not sure whether to pat self on back or facepalm. Was pissed off about 2 afks in a row but this redeemed my good mood.

5/5 tumble is pretty nice for guaranteeing kills, maxed bolts second but was still putting out crazy damage thanks to little resistance against taric/vayne stun combo. :/

Cho tried to gank and I got a triple kill lol XD



Nevermind the good mood. ,_, Next game we're winning hard, I'm complimenting and encouraging my team, and Janna *** up once and says "I don't like dying, afk peace"

... but then comes back and does this... WHAT THE ACTUAL ***



Feels like I've exhausted all my luck today. (but low elo ranked is pretty unpredictable) Idk, playing ranked solo queue all day is pretty fun and a nice learning experience. I'm going to probably stick with it now instead of normals.
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By Bismarck.Faelar 2012-12-03 12:39:10
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Bought Katarina.

What kind of build do you guys suggest? Most Kats I see always get a Hextech Gunblade. What else?

And this is crucial: Sandstorm, or High Command?!
 
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By Bahamut.Serj 2012-12-03 12:50:23
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Bismarck.Faelar said: »
Bought Katarina.

What kind of build do you guys suggest? Most Kats I see always get a Hextech Gunblade. What else?

And this is crucial: Sandstorm, or High Command?!

Abyssal, Haunting Guise, Sorc Shoes. Most people do Zhonya's after to survive better in team fights, then rabadons.

And High Command most def.
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By Sylph.Nephriel 2012-12-03 12:56:31
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Where the *** is Nami >:o I can't remember the last time I was so impatient for a champ.
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By Bismarck.Faelar 2012-12-03 13:02:34
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Sylph.Nephriel said: »
Where the *** is Nami >:o I can't remember the last time I was so impatient for a champ.

New champs are always introduced in patches.

Patches are usually always on Tuesdays.

If there isn't a patch tomorrow, hope for next Tuesday.
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By Avitori 2012-12-03 14:58:33
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*** this game. Seriously, tired of playing well and winning my lane and other lanes just not knowing what to do and feeding the entire time, and ADC's on my team building cdr boots/triforce and going 0/5 while the other one just rapes us.

Quitting this game, will move on to solo games where my effort actually matters. peace
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-12-03 15:00:50
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well depending on the ADC tri-force is a viable item
 
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-12-03 15:04:18
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Moreso corki than ezreal but yeah I'm pretty sure they're like the only ADC's you'd want to get triforce on

Though I've had thoughts of getting triforce on some other ADCs just to try it/for the lols
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By Sylph.Shinobu 2012-12-03 15:04:57
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I applaud your math for Vayne. I will also admit that maxing tumble has great utility, which is why I max it second. There is nothing wrong with maxing tumble early, but you're going to have a bad time at level 6, which is right when you want to finally open up on vayne. The silver bolt 6 seconds a proc assumes you're doing a straight poke and not actual fights. Vayne has some of the (I want to say lowest, but not positive) lowest overall stats so relying on just tumbling around when a jungle comes in, or your support gets a good initiate and you want the kill. Then we get nunu lanes, where its all about attack speed. The reason many players rush a phantom dancer (I don't like to go all the way there first) is the silver bolt procs.

Side note: I didn't really look, but are you taking into account resistances? A big thing with the silver bolts is that its straight.

When you hit level 6, it ends up taking 6 hits total to kill an opponent flat out, no relying on dodging them, no relying on good anything, just 6 shots. If they have an ali popping his ult, maybe 9 hits (I don't recommend just going all in on an ulted ali, but maybe they over extended). When you are going all in on a fight early, relying on tricks to get you all the way when you ult, tumble and their jungle shows up so you get to run off the cd. Where as blowing them up in about 2 and a half seconds just makes the jungle coming in a risk, especially since your tumbles back up by now anyway, or very close.

Basically: If you want to harass them and jump around like a ninja, max tumble. If you want to kill them at level 6 for sure and not rely on them hanging around while you jump around, max silver bolts.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-12-03 15:07:15
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If you want inconsistent ability damage max your bolts first

do what you want

just don't do it if you're ever playing vayne in one of my games






all I'm going to add is look at every well known ADC, none of them max silver bolts first
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