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Amano or masa?
Hassozanshin was released at 90 cap.
Jassik said: » Fenrir.Nightfyre said: » Jassik said: » If anything its delay is LESS of a factor now than it ever was, especially at 90 cap... -Debateable at 90 cap. -Obviously detrimental now at 99. Koga was at one of its lowest points in the entire game due to 1) Abyssea 2) Hassozanshin 3) no Shoha or OA2-3 aftermath. even at 95 cap there was no way to cap haste 5 hit Masamune or Amano without gimping your WS set, and there was no Shoha or HassoZanshin until 99 cap. I'll concede you have a better understanding of the game math than me, but I you're not supporting your claims in any way. You had to barely gimp your WS set. Rajas+AF3+2 legs. Very slim loss in WS damage to keep a 5hit. Capped haste? You're not counting the hasso enhancement as gear haste or a regain moonshade i hope.
Jassik said: » Capped haste? You're not counting the hasso enhancement as gear haste or a regain moonshade i hope. Masa/Rose//Hag Zelus/Unkai/Unkai/brutal Unkai/dusk+1/raja/tyrant misuu/bullwhip/unkai/usukane Masa/rose//thew Mekira/just/moon/brutal ace's/heafoc/raja/pyrosoul atheling/beir+1/unkai/unkai Cerberus.Taint said: » Jassik said: » Capped haste? You're not counting the hasso enhancement as gear haste or a regain moonshade i hope. Masa/Rose//Hag Zelus/Unkai/Unkai/brutal Unkai/dusk+1/raja/tyrant misuu/bullwhip/unkai/usukane Masa/rose//thew Mekira/just/moon/brutal ace's/heafoc/raja/pyrosoul atheling/beir+1/unkai/unkai 8+4+7+4+2=25% not capped, decent set but not capped unless you have exact haste. Values on all that. Jassik said: » Cerberus.Taint said: » Jassik said: » Capped haste? You're not counting the hasso enhancement as gear haste or a regain moonshade i hope. Masa/Rose//Hag Zelus/Unkai/Unkai/brutal Unkai/dusk+1/raja/tyrant misuu/bullwhip/unkai/usukane Masa/rose//thew Mekira/just/moon/brutal ace's/heafoc/raja/pyrosoul atheling/beir+1/unkai/unkai 8+4+7+4+2=25% not capped, decent set but not capped unless you have exact haste. Values on all that. Dude stopping trolling. 95cap is long gone, and that was by far the best TP/WS sets of its time. Missing .1%-.2% haste during a 5hit is negligible at best, esp with a 437 delay weapon. Amano users also swapped in Ace's feet and atheling during AM up. You were wrong, now lets take the Delorean back the present. Offline
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Can actually use usu feet, p.brynie and ogier's hands and get 5 hit with capped haste.
Demule said: » Can actually use usu feet, p.brynie and ogier's hands and get 5 hit with capped haste. Troll attempt? I surely hope so lol. also
neo-salv usu-suneate: [Feet] All Races DEF:22 Accuracy+14 Attack+14 "Store TP" +10 Haste+5% Enmity+5 Set: Enhances Haste effect LV 99 MNK SAM NIN PUP ty se Cerberus.Taint said: » Jassik said: » Cerberus.Taint said: » Jassik said: » Capped haste? You're not counting the hasso enhancement as gear haste or a regain moonshade i hope. Masa/Rose//Hag Zelus/Unkai/Unkai/brutal Unkai/dusk+1/raja/tyrant misuu/bullwhip/unkai/usukane Masa/rose//thew Mekira/just/moon/brutal ace's/heafoc/raja/pyrosoul atheling/beir+1/unkai/unkai 8+4+7+4+2=25% not capped, decent set but not capped unless you have exact haste. Values on all that. Dude stopping trolling. 95cap is long gone, and that was by far the best TP/WS sets of its time. Missing .1%-.2% haste during a 5hit is negligible at best, esp with a 437 delay weapon. Amano users also swapped in Ace's feet and atheling during AM up. You were wrong, now lets take the Delorean back the present. Not trolling and you failed to produce the capped haste set. Again i wasn't picking a fight or trolling, just supporting my previous statement which was, in fact, not wrong. Also... are those stats on 99 usu feet a guess or from dat mining? Those stats, are my prayers.
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Demule said: » Can actually use usu feet, p.brynie and ogier's hands and get 5 hit with capped haste. totally worth giving up 10% zanshin on the body Jassik said: » Not trolling and you failed to produce the capped haste set. Again i wasn't picking a fight or trolling, just supporting my previous statement which was, in fact, not wrong. Jassik said: » even at 95 cap there was no way to cap haste 5 hit Masamune or Amano without gimping your WS set, and there was no Shoha or HassoZanshin until 99 cap. I'll concede you have a better understanding of the game math than me, but I you're not supporting your claims in any way. Actually I did provide a 26% Amano set and a 25% Masa set and neither needed a gimp WS set. Nightfyre was correct. An aftermath set was originally mentioned by me, and regardless of how much different, since we all like to consider 1% dmg or haste significant, the sets you posted are in fact neither capped haste or not gimped ws set. The fact remains, prior to phos+1 and phorcys salade, sam could not cap haste 5hit without making concessions to their ws set. The higher delay on koga helps. Its that math thing you guys preach about when it supports your point of view.
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Jassik said: » An aftermath set was originally mentioned by me, and regardless of how much different, since we all like to consider 1% dmg or haste significant, the sets you posted are in fact neither capped haste or not gimped ws set. The fact remains, prior to phos+1 and phorcys salade, sam could not cap haste 5hit without making concessions to their ws set. The higher delay on koga helps. Its that math thing you guys preach about when it supports your point of view. It would have been a non-issue if you have capped magical haste and had Hasso up due to enhance "Hasso" effect on Unkai Haidate +2. In other words, you would have been able to and are still able to hit the delay reduction cap without capped gear haste. Amano is so ugly, Masamune is the coolest because its Sephiroths sword.
Leviathan.Draylo said: » Amano is so ugly, Masamune is the coolest because its Sephiroths sword. edit: nvm Bismarck.Azagthothe said: » Jassik said: » An aftermath set was originally mentioned by me, and regardless of how much different, since we all like to consider 1% dmg or haste significant, the sets you posted are in fact neither capped haste or not gimped ws set. The fact remains, prior to phos+1 and phorcys salade, sam could not cap haste 5hit without making concessions to their ws set. The higher delay on koga helps. Its that math thing you guys preach about when it supports your point of view. It would have been a non-issue if you have capped magical haste and had Hasso up due to enhance "Hasso" effect on Unkai Haidate +2. In other words, you would have been able to and are still able to hit the delay reduction cap without capped gear haste. Very true, but i generally don't bring a brd and sch o everything i do, capping gear haste is still relevant most of the time. Offline
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Keep in mind if you have ishikoten (sp) merits like you should, +2 body offers 2.5% da that are worth nearly the same tp as a triple attack. Plus the added att and acc on +2 body make it hard to replace with any of the haste bodies currently available. You could make it workable, but its hardly optimal.
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