Shura Kabuto +1

Just got DEX+5 / Attk +7 / WS DMG +2. My question is, does ocelot/mkd head out perform this? (For hi)

Well with MKD you can get WS dmg+2 and crit dmg+2, for a (for all intensive purposes for hi) WS dmg+4, cuz its a crit WS...

only if it crits, so if you're outside of abyssea shura would more than likely be better. If it's hq then you can get another 1%, for 3% ws damage, making shura better in most cases. I can't show you the math, but I'm sure it's in the Blade: Hi Thread

Thats not how that works, crit dmg and ws damage are not additive. They follow different steps in a procedure, thus have their own gains and dimishing returns. It would be like saying an nq staff(+10ice mag att) + 10mab item is the same as an item with 20MAB.

I had 1 hq3 with vit +2, ws dmg +3 and conserve tp +6. I just didnt see it being better than the one I had already

Well ya gimp, if it crits ya, but more than likely, your crit rate on hi is gonna be pretty high... I didn't realize they weren't additive though.. Hito, how does the exact math work then? Cuz I thought that was how it worked (additive as opposed to anything else)... /shrug my bad y'all

well, hi is a single hit, no? or i guess considering offhand... eh D: don't mind me >_>;

edit: and i thought this was for outside abyssea :x crit rate shouldn't be all too high.

I was thinking about this the other day, after I posted actually... I'm guessing that the "crit dmg +2%" really refers to +2% of the bonus critting a hit adds, which won't entirely add up nearly as high as WS dmg+ would, which would be additive to the end of the dmg equation for the WS, no?

From my understanding (I could be completely wrong...) 2% crit damage would be 2% per hit that crits... so if the first hit of hi crits and the second (offhand) hit doesn't crit, then you're only getting the 2% for the first hit that did crit, while weaponskill damage is for both of the hits. say you were going to do 100 damage and had 2% weaponskill damage on shura head, you would now do 102 damage.

Though, that could have been what you said... I didn't really get what you were saying lol.

Which means crit damage is dependant on your crit rate %, while ws damage is a straight increase to your overall ws damage.

Right :x that's what i meant...

Well I knew that Hito, but doesn't hi have like a +25% crit rate at 100 TP or some crap? dDex + merits = another +15 even outside aby no? 40% chance without other crit gear is kinda nice if those numbers are accurate (honestly the dDex one was just a ballpark, and I had HEARD hi was like 25 or so at 100)

Think Hi has 15% innate crit rate @100 TP.

ok, thats still not so bad.. sup Z :P

/wave

I'm starting to think my MKD helm isn't as strong as it used to be lol. That Shura +1 with 3% WS dmg + dex + att seems to be the strongest choice, also taking into account, that the dex from the shura will help a lil bit with acc/crit rate.

getting 3 ws damage and att's gonna suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck :X

if i'm ever able to get back on, I have like 100 tatters stored up waiting to be used ;; (granted, I can't find an hq kabuto... trying to finish ww to make my own -_- but mats for skillups are never on the ah and i'm a lazy ***)