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Ultima stun resistance?
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By Phoenix.Airbag 2010-01-20 21:17:04
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dont see anything on wiki about stun resistance, only that CB can be stunned

so is chainspell stunning viable?
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By Phoenix.Airbag 2010-01-20 21:21:28
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bamp! lol srsly need some replies D:
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-01-20 21:25:31
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Well it can put up manascreen which makes it immune to magic. Also the timing of stunning CB is tight enough where just plain spamming stun with chainspell will probably make you miss it.

But yes it is stunnable. I got a SS somewhere of me weaponbashing it lol
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By Phoenix.Airbag 2010-01-20 21:26:42
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By Phoenix.Airbag 2010-01-20 21:29:30
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Ultima uses the following TP abilities:
From 70%-100% HP:
Wire Cutter: Single-target physical damage (~400 to PLD), absorbed by Utsusemi (2 shadows)
Particle Shield: Strong Defense Boost. Can be dispelled
Chemical Bomb: Cone Attack Elegy and Slow (stronger than Haste). Remove with two Erases
From 40-70% HP:
Nuclear Waste: Causes a status effect that reduces all elemental resistances by 50 in area of effect. This is followed up by one of the following elemental cone attacks, all of which inflict 490 damage if unresisted:
Smoke Discharger: Earth damage and petrification for ten to twenty seconds
Hydro Canon: Water damage and poison
Cryo Jet: Ice damage and paralyze
Turbofan: Wind damage and silence
Flame Thrower: Fire damage and Plague
High-Tension Discharger: Thunder damage and stun
From 20-40% HP:
Equalizer: AoE heavy physical damage (300-400 to Paladin, 600-900 HP to others). Absorbed by Utsusemi.
Also uses Particle Shield and Chemical Bomb
From 0-20% HP:
Antimatter: Heavy "ranged" physical attack (300-900 HP) with a five second charge time; can likely be Stunned. It ignores Utsusemi and Blink, but damage can vary greatly.
Still uses Particle Shield.

Uses many of Ultima's attacks, including some new abilities:
Antimatter: Single-target Light magic damage. Ignores Utsusemi.
Armor Buster: Heavy AoE Light magical damage + Weight, used starting at 40%.
Chemical Bomb: Frontal cone AoE Elegy & Slow II effects.
Citadel Buster: Massive AoE Light magical damage. At 19% it will count backwards from 20 to 1 then at this time everyone inside the room will die unless you are able to make it past the safezone (doorway).
Magic damage reduction gear significantly reduces the damage taken. A Blue Mage using Diffusion + Saline Coat, will also significantly reduce the damage taken. The Corsair Magus's Roll is also very good for this same reason. Stacking Saline Coat, Magus's Roll, Shell V, and Magic Defense Bonus gear will almost reduce all damage from Citadel Buster.
Citadel Buster can be stunned, however timing the cast is pivotal.
Dissipation: AoE Dispel-All (except food) + Terror used at 79%, 59%, 39%, and 19%. Stunnable.
Equalizer: Heavy AoE physical damage. Blocked by Utsusemi.
Holy II: Single-target Light magic damage. Blocked by Utsusemi.
Nuclear Waste: AoE Elemental Resistance reduction (-50), followed by one of the following attacks:
Cryo Jet: Frontal cone AoE Ice magic damage + Paralysis.
High-Tension Discharger: Frontal cone AoE Thunder magic damage + Stun.
Flame Thrower: Frontal cone AoE Fire magic damage + Plague.
Smoke Discharger: Frontal cone AoE Earth magic damage + Petrification.
Hydro Canon: Frontal cone AoE Water magic damage + Poison.
Turbofan: Frontal cone AoE Wind magic damage + Silence.
Wire Cutter: Single target, two-hit physical damage.
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By Phoenix.Airbag 2010-01-20 21:30:28
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i dont see any manascreen business :o only particle shield
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By Alexander.Nepharite 2010-01-20 21:44:24
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It still can put up mana screen if i remember correctly



~edit, forgot to add that you can stun it, if you have good timing.
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By Alexander.Ultrarichard 2010-01-20 21:50:31
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Phoenix.Airbag said:
i dont see any manascreen business :o only particle shield
* Mana Screen: Self target Magic Shield. (Effect cannot be dispelled).

* Energy Screen: Self target Physical Shield (Effect cannot be dispelled).

not the same as particle shield, which can be dispelled.
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By Alexander.Nepharite 2010-01-20 21:51:16
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at 20% or less he uses Armor Buster, Energy Screen, Mana Screen, Holy II, Citadel Buster.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-01-20 21:51:20
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I don't know where you got that info but it definitely has it. Probably the biggest reason we lost when my ls tried to 8-9 man on our first try was cause it kept manascreen up and then would put it back up again lol.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Mana_Screen

Or for a detail description of what it can use in each phase http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Central_Temenos_-_4th_Floor
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-01-20 21:54:39
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On a side note has anyone tried to dark shot a magical shield effect off? I mean normally they can't be dispelled cause they resist all spells but none spell magic effects/dmg can get thru
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By Alexander.Nepharite 2010-01-20 21:56:50
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Phoenix.Airbag said:
dont see anything on wiki about stun resistance, only that CB can be stunned

so is chainspell stunning viable?


As for chainspell+stun being viable, yes and no.

It will help in stopping some of his attacks, but if he puts up manascreen...

I've done cs stun a few times on ultima, its not useless, but doesn't help a tremendous bit like on other things.
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By Alexander.Ultrarichard 2010-01-20 21:57:21
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
On a side note has anyone tried to dark shot a magical shield effect off? I mean normally they can't be dispelled cause they resist all spells but none spell magic effects/dmg can get thru

i wonder if it could be aura stolen by a thf .. magic immune thf goo~
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-01-20 21:59:53
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Alexander.Ultrarichard said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
On a side note has anyone tried to dark shot a magical shield effect off? I mean normally they can't be dispelled cause they resist all spells but none spell magic effects/dmg can get thru
i wonder if it could be aura stolen by a thf .. magic immune thf goo~
I didn't try it on Ultima but I have tried it on Those damn floating eyes and it never worked. Then again I only have like 1 merit in it and horrible luck so even though I tried like 20 times who knows lol
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By Alexander.Nepharite 2010-01-20 22:01:25
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Alexander.Ultrarichard said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
On a side note has anyone tried to dark shot a magical shield effect off? I mean normally they can't be dispelled cause they resist all spells but none spell magic effects/dmg can get thru

i wonder if it could be aura stolen by a thf .. magic immune thf goo~


I really doubt it would work, but you could test by trying it on Magic Pots in sky when they use their magic shield.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-01-20 22:08:18
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As far as chainspelling stun I think it would hurt your chances really. I mean it isn't really gunna speed up your casting speed. rdm/drk casting in full haste/fast cast gear on a spell that takes .5 sec to cast anyways... yeah.

And it might make you want to just keep casting it and well the time delay from 1 cast to the next even with chainspell is too great. Also good chance you will pull hate especially if you were say the stunner for other moves.

Once you figure out the timing it isn't that hard and even if he back to backs CB your stun will be up again.

Also if it does put up screen run in and does this! And in case you are wondering took me 2 tries to figure out the timing hence why everyone is hurting lol. Oh and seems I was wrong we had 10. Forgot about the random whm that joined us cause he was bored. Not like he got to do much other than haste monkey lol. Oh yeah and proof it uses manascreen

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By Phoenix.Airbag 2010-01-20 22:24:30
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woops, sorry das.. the Proto-Ultima page doesnt show those, but the 4th floor temenos does :/ gogo wiki
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By Odin.Tezmania 2010-01-20 23:49:57
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Citadel Buster is not aoe around the entire room also.

AOE around current target (seems to be 20ish feet, Max casting distance is safe for me) which can change as the countdown goes down.

Armor buster is to be more feared than Citadel Buster.

Also Reraise will not be lost from Dissipation (after that update many many months ago)
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