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By Fenrir.Fizzycandy 2009-11-08 22:58:07
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People say weed is a gateway drug but that is partly because it's illegal. When you go to pick up some weed from your local drug dealer, he will probably offer you some other drug like crack or heroine so it opens the door to those drugs. I'm not saying that's the only reason why weed is a "gateway" drug but it is a pretty relevant one imo.
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-11-08 22:59:53
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Ragnarok.Shaydow said:
FYI like 75% of your celebrites smoke Hash all day.


Honestly, I couldn't give a ***about celebrities. I care about my income, my comfort, and my fiance. If some woman in America is making ten million a year, good for her. I really couldn't give a flying ***.

Ragnarok.Shaydow said:
that is what seperates us from what you so called "stoners", we only medicate for what is Needed, not sit there and pack bowl after bowl to get retarted.


Smoking in moderation won't prevent the detrimental effects of smoking. They'll just take longer to surface. So you'll still become dumb as a stick, it'll just take a few years longer. Although from the way you described your habits, "medicinal" doesn't seem the appropriate word.

PS. I'm not a stoner, have you not figured I don't smoke yet? I think that might a typo on "your", but let me know either way.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-11-08 23:01:13
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Lakshmi.Drekien said:
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Here you cant smoke anywhere within 1500 feet of a school, mall, etc, no Driving and smoking, Most people here are over 21 and not stupid kids even though there are a few. yall should Check it out over here in Cali news. im Scanning my "guidelines" page that you get if your a medical user. It tells you the rules for smoking. also in order to get this card you need an Actual Recomendation from a DR and you need a Medical History of some sort. nothing like " im anxious with no proof, give me weed". We also pay takes on this stuff for the state and most places are Co-op owned which give alot back to the community.
Lol you'd be suprised how easily people get it for the lamest reasons in cali. Seems to be pretty much the cure all.
yep. Got depression, get some weed. Got a headache, get some weed. Lost your dog, get some weed.

Idk about losing your dog... unless it made you depressed. However I do know people go in complaining they can't sleep and get it. Or mild back pain and get it. No attempt to discover what is causing it or even trying to prove it is made just ok you think weed will help? Well yes Doc the weed I am currently illegally using helps so I think so. I mean limit it to the ***that it is actually for. Not all this other ***
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-11-08 23:03:13
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
Idk about losing your dog... unless it made you depressed. However I do know people go in complaining they can't sleep and get it. Or mild back pain and get it. No attempt to discover what is causing it or even trying to prove it is made just ok you think weed will help? Well yes Doc the weed I am currently illegally using helps so I think so. I mean limit it to the ***that it is actually for. Not all this other ***


Well when my wife slept with another man and fathered his baby, alcohol made it all better!
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-11-08 23:03:25
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Time for a derailment

Smoke this magic leaf!

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By Cerberus.Arcalimo 2009-11-08 23:04:50
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The only reason why its not legal is beacause the goverments take more profit of it being illegal.
Yes, honstly, ho can someone think that goverment takes that decisions for us, because they know what is good for us and we dont?
No, the thing is the money, like everything, corruption, with weed being illegal, goverment not only get a few % from sell it, get a bunch of millions from gangs, why you thing they never catch the big ones? they are corrupted, so can make money fom the people that smoke it and at the same time get millions from the big guys to allow them the trafic.
I dont know what happens there honestly, but here in spain for something that can cost you even less than 1€, you gotta pay 300€ to the goverment, and for sure, you can call police if you are dieing, and they will not appear, but in the name of god, dont smoke a joint or they will be there in a matter of minutes to steal your money.
Yes the black market is controlled by the goverment too, and the prices are higher, since its illegal and have its risks.

So if you ask me if it should be legal, all i can say is, who is the goverment to say what i can do?
Is their world? why i cant plant and use w/e i want as long as im respecting the rest of the people.
So, for me, what should be illegal is to allow someone to steal my weed and my money.

And no, i dont smoke ;p
But i can se the truth out there, and we all should open our eyes and stop this ***, cause there are a few that can live happy stealing to the people that really works in the world.
And no one says nothing about it.
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By Caitsith.Blurr 2009-11-08 23:04:57
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Asura.Korpg said:
Think about it.

They legalize it, it will be hell for the first 10-15 years thanks to the idiots who don't know moderation.

Then it will be less of a problem than it is now.

Either way, regardless of lung decay or not, it WILL make you stupid. There is a reason why its not legal in the first place.

But, I say go ahead. If you want to smoke your brains away, it will be better for me because you won't compete with me on anything jobwise.

I'll be rich while you grow your own weed for your personal purposes. Suits me just fine.



i love when people that have no idea what they are talking about try to act like it >.>

your little rant there can be condensed into "i dont like it, its stupid! and your stupid!"

what kind of evidence is there smoking pot "WILL" make you stupid? can you cite anything ? or are you just being ignorant again..?
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-11-08 23:05:07
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Garuda.Wooooodum said:
Well when my wife slept with another man and fathered his baby, alcohol made it all better!

Self medicating is bad /slap.
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By Lakshmi.Drekien 2009-11-08 23:05:31
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that video made me ***bricks
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-11-08 23:05:44
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Caitsith.Blurr said:
Asura.Korpg said:
Think about it. They legalize it, it will be hell for the first 10-15 years thanks to the idiots who don't know moderation. Then it will be less of a problem than it is now. Either way, regardless of lung decay or not, it WILL make you stupid. There is a reason why its not legal in the first place. But, I say go ahead. If you want to smoke your brains away, it will be better for me because you won't compete with me on anything jobwise. I'll be rich while you grow your own weed for your personal purposes. Suits me just fine.
i love when people that have no idea what they are talking about try to act like it >.> your little rant there can be condensed into "i dont like it, its stupid! and your stupid!" what kind of evidence is there smoking pot "WILL" make you stupid? can you cite anything ? or are you just being ignorant again..?

check links on previous pages...
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-11-08 23:07:32
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Cerberus.Arcalimo said:
Yes, honstly, ho can someone think that goverment takes that decisions for us, because they know what is good for us and we dont?


Well, I don't know about you, but I have faith in my government, the laws they implment and uphold. My general experiences with the law is they're considered for our own safety; ie. it's illegal to rape someone, it's illegal to shoot someone, it's illegal to drive your car onto the pavement to hit someone.

Sorry for being so cynical, but it's the best way of making the point.

Cerberus.Arcalimo said:
So if you ask me if it should be legal, all i can say is, who is the goverment to say what i can do?
Is their world?


Yes.

Move to another country if you don't like the laws of the one you're in. Hell, I don't want to pay tax but I have to. It's not my country.
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By Lakshmi.Drekien 2009-11-08 23:08:12
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It doesn't make you *** straight up stupid. Sure it will make you act slower, maybe slur your words... but you can still comprehend ***and understand wtf is going on. Hell, if you watch "Super High Me" that mfer takes the SAT and scores higher while -high-... so saying weed makes you "stupid" is a very limited response
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-11-08 23:09:17
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Lakshmi.Drekien said:
It doesn't make you *** straight up stupid. Sure it will make you act slower, maybe slur your words... but you can still comprehend ***and understand wtf is going on. Hell, if you watch "Super High Me" that mfer takes the SAT and scores higher while -high-... so saying weed makes you "stupid" is a very limited response


Think long term.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-11-08 23:09:46
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Warning lots of big words and scientific mumbo jumbo THC kills brain cells
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By Lakshmi.Drekien 2009-11-08 23:11:45
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Long term there is still maybe little to no difference. There was a guy on there that had been smoking for 20 years (not long term enough?) and he seemed more normal than Doug Benson who acts *** high 24/7.
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-11-08 23:13:16
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Lakshmi.Drekien said:
Long term there is still maybe little to no difference.


Science says otherwise, though. It's scientifically proven that it will produce a variety of long term effects, including mental disability, mental breakdown and lung cancer. Refer to Dasva's links he's posting for confirmation if you need it.

Good for that guy, if he's been going for 20 years and is still fine. That won't happen often. I would love to see the results of CT Scans of his brain though. I bet neurologically he isn't "fine" at all.
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By Caitsith.Blurr 2009-11-08 23:15:07
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
Caitsith.Blurr said:
Asura.Korpg said:
Think about it. They legalize it, it will be hell for the first 10-15 years thanks to the idiots who don't know moderation. Then it will be less of a problem than it is now. Either way, regardless of lung decay or not, it WILL make you stupid. There is a reason why its not legal in the first place. But, I say go ahead. If you want to smoke your brains away, it will be better for me because you won't compete with me on anything jobwise. I'll be rich while you grow your own weed for your personal purposes. Suits me just fine.
i love when people that have no idea what they are talking about try to act like it >.> your little rant there can be condensed into "i dont like it, its stupid! and your stupid!" what kind of evidence is there smoking pot "WILL" make you stupid? can you cite anything ? or are you just being ignorant again..?

check links on previous pages...



all i saw were the same *** *** articles ive been seeing since 7th grade. for every article explaining the "facts" on the negative effects of prolonged use, 10 more can be put up contradicting it.

if any of you cite actual fda findings stating marijuana use absolutely positively "WILL" make you stupid. ***, ill seriously eat my own shorts aright ?
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Caitsith.Blurr said:
i love when people that have no idea what they are talking about try to act like it >.> your little rant there can be condensed into "i dont like it, its stupid! and your stupid!" what kind of evidence is there smoking pot "WILL" make you stupid? can you cite anything ? or are you just being ignorant again..?

Or do you like to argue with me?

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Aside from a subjective change in perception, the most common short-term physical and neurological effects include increased heart rate, lowered blood pressure, impairment of psychomotor coordination, concentration, and short-term episodic and working memory.[46] Long-term effects are less clear.


From your basic wiki page

Although there isn't a study for long-term affects, loss of working memory can't be good for you. There isn't proof to back this, but I'm sure that it would also affect other parts of your brain besides memory (which is the storage for your knowledge btw, incase you haven't figured it out).

No, I don't smoke this ***, so I can't personally tell you if it would make me stupid. But am I going to chance that? Why don't you try it and tell us if you miss losing your short-term and working memory?
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-08 23:15:08
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"and lung cancer."

That's not from weed. That's from smoking weed. There are other ways to get the THC w/o getting smoke into your lungs and its the smoke that is the cause of the cancer, not weed or the THC itself.
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-11-08 23:16:17
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Caitsith.Blurr said:
all i saw were the same *** *** articles ive been seeing since 7th grade. for every article explaining the "facts" on the negative effects of prolonged use, 10 more can be put up contradicting it


You have never read them all yet.
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-11-08 23:17:02
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Fairy.Vegetto said:
"and lung cancer."

That's not from weed. That's from smoking weed. There are other ways to get the THC w/o getting smoke into your lungs and its the smoke that is the cause of the cancer, not weed or the THC itself.


In fairness, the toxins in the smoke itself can act as a catalyst for the development of cancerous tumas; so whilst the drug itself is not responsible for the cancer, it really isn't helping.
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By Lakshmi.Drekien 2009-11-08 23:18:28
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Garuda.Wooooodum said:
Lakshmi.Drekien said:
Long term there is still maybe little to no difference.


Science says otherwise, though. It's scientifically proven that it will produce a variety of long term effects, including mental disability, mental breakdown and lung cancer. Refer to Dasva's links he's posting for confirmation if you need it.

Good for that guy, if he's been going for 20 years and is still fine. That won't happen often. I would love to see the results of CT Scans of
his brain though. I bet neurologically he isn't "fine" at all.


wow omfg you serious? Lung cancer? Mental disability? LMAO um no. there are 0. ZERO *** cases of lung cancer, OR mental disability. Show me where they say its "scientifically proven" it will produce long term detrimental effects.
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-11-08 23:18:55
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Blurr, please just admit that if thousands of scientists can't be wrong about the facts.

And that you love to argue with me.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-11-08 23:19:24
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Caitsith.Blurr said:
all i saw were the same *** *** articles ive been seeing since 7th grade. for every article explaining the "facts" on the negative effects of prolonged use, 10 more can be put up contradicting it. if any of you cite actual fda findings stating marijuana use absolutely positively "WILL" make you stupid. ***, ill seriously eat my own shorts aright ?

I'll paraphrase this for you. You refuse to believe any stupid that doens't support your believes. Guess what the fda wont get findings cause it is *** illegal in america
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-11-08 23:20:24
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Lakshmi.Drekien said:
wow omfg you serious? Lung cancer? Mental disability? LMAO um no. there are 0. ZERO *** cases of lung cancer, OR mental disability. Show me where they say its "scientifically proven" it will produce long term detrimental effects.


*** sake, not this ***again. Read back, we've had this conversation and it's already been established you're completely wrong.
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-11-08 23:21:42
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Lakshmi.Drekien said:
wow omfg you serious? Lung cancer? Mental disability? LMAO um no. there are 0. ZERO *** cases of lung cancer, OR mental disability. Show me where they say its "scientifically proven" it will produce long term detrimental effects.

Kindof hard to show long term effects of something thats only JUST recently has been legalized in most places.

Kindof hard to pick out some test subjects who would be admiting that they were breaking the law when it was illegal.

Just wait until those people who smoke it become older, and see for yourself.

Loss of short-term and working memory can't all be great in the long run.
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By Lakshmi.Drekien 2009-11-08 23:22:03
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Established or not, I'm not wrong. WEED DOES NOT GIVE YOU CANCER, IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU ANY MENTAL DISABILITIES.

^that is what I am saying.
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By Seraph.Caiyuo 2009-11-08 23:22:15
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Garuda.Wooooodum said:
So what it ultimately boils down to is the fact you think what you think, and unless somebody quotes and links to articles of somebody else saying it, you won't believe it? How do we know what he quoted is not something he typed himself? He never gave a source; but whether I believe him or not, I give his opinion my time and interest because I am genuinally interested in this subject, discussing it with others and hearing the opposing point of views. However, when people's opposing point of views are just scientifically false, it's a little hard to have the same mentality.

And, I appreciate you don't jump to a conclusion just because one person says something.
I gave credit to both Narrubia and Dasva's points as they backed them up with researched resources. One of the worthwhile informative posts I've seen from you in this thread was the comparison of marijuana and alcohol, otherwise you're either interjecting "witty" comments, or just taking a condescending tone with people not quite as enlightened as yourself. Much like the assertion you're making now that I somehow don't believe anything anyone says unless they reference the almighty internets in tandem. The distinction being that I think what I think based off of what I've learned up to this point and will read, but not necessarily believe whatever is randomly written. Certainly more apt to believe convincing, civil discussion, though, as well as documented research, as are most people, I'd think. I'm almost convinced you'll consider me twisting your words, but this is in essence what you said and would've been achieved much quicker by simply saying I was close-minded.

Since Aaroca noted it was straight copy and paste I took the liberty to actually check to find the source: http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/

You consider the way you address Aaroca giving it your time and interest? I'd wager to most it looked like you swatted the post away without a second thought, then sought to disprove them by talking about something they weren't even addressing in a rather rude manner, i.e.: NAW GUYS ZERO TRUTH NOT EVEN LET ME SHOW U?

Garuda.Wooooodum said:
You make it seem like that was my only contribution to this thread. And to be honest, what I quoted is a ridiculous statement that is completely false. I don't need to link to articles or quote sources to make it false. Anyone with even the simplest education in the lungs and how they work would see that post as false.

I'm seriously not going to justify myself for getting worked up when something with zero truth is used as an argument against me in a debate.
I addressed what I thought of your other contributions to the thread earlier. That aside Aaroca's source as well as my own state the information to be true so a convincing, credible argument would be needed to believe otherwise, naturally. They aren't even necessarily disagreeing with your own, simply stating the effect to be minimal instead of the "die, lungs, die" picture you're painting. If you think that's extreme, choose a more accurate word than "kill," such as deteriorate.

Regardless, as you might imagine I'm more inclined to listen and entertain the posts of people who can tackle topics maturely. I try to give everyone a fair shot, but between this and a few other recent threads you've given enough evidence of being an *** that, oh you guessed it, I'm believing it without someone having to link articles or anything.

Niiiiight, MJ thread.
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i love when people that have no idea what they are talking about try to act like it >.> your little rant there can be condensed into "i dont like it, its stupid! and your stupid!" what kind of evidence is there smoking pot "WILL" make you stupid? can you cite anything ? or are you just being ignorant again..?

Or do you like to argue with me?

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Aside from a subjective change in perception, the most common short-term physical and neurological effects include increased heart rate, lowered blood pressure, impairment of psychomotor coordination, concentration, and short-term episodic and working memory.[46] Long-term effects are less clear.


From your basic wiki page

Although there isn't a study for long-term affects, loss of working memory can't be good for you. There isn't proof to back this, but I'm sure that it would also affect other parts of your brain besides memory (which is the storage for your knowledge btw, incase you haven't figured it out).

No, I don't smoke this ***, so I can't personally tell you if it would make me stupid. But am I going to chance that? Why don't you try it and tell us if you miss losing your short-term and working memory?


i didnt even say i smoked pot lol, and there you go with the "it does, it will, absotively!" ***again too.. presumptuous much ?
i only even "like" arguing with you because you like to toss around your opinions like they are facts -_-. and wow theres a wiki article talking about negative marijuana effect ? hold on a second, let me make one saying the complete opposite of everything there for you to read, and then you can come back and say, oh hey "you were right, my bad"
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By Unicorn.Moldtech 2009-11-08 23:24:29
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Your already stupid if your thinking smoking weed will turn you into a turnip and unable to do anything right and be consistent. Companies dont have to tell you they arent hiring you cause you smoke weed yea but they also dont have to tell you thier not going to hire you cause your old or young, male or female, black or white, religious or nonreligious, all of that stuff.

Asura.Korpg said:
Think about it. They legalize it, it will be hell for the first 10-15 years thanks to the idiots who don't know moderation. Then it will be less of a problem than it is now. Either way, regardless of lung decay or not, it WILL make you stupid. There is a reason why its not legal in the first place. But, I say go ahead. If you want to smoke your brains away, it will be better for me because you won't compete with me on anything jobwise. I'll be rich while you grow your own weed for your personal purposes. Suits me just fine.


Keep in mind tooif it was legal, same job, you and a weedsmoker applying for a job and you both are qualified for the job. After talking to you (the anti-smoker) and your comments like this that you've spoken of on this subject I'd see how closed minded you are, I'd hire the weedsmoker before you. You're limited by your mind set that in a routine to me I'm going to be feeling in certain situations you would get dumbfounded cause you would not be able to think outside the box, the weedsmoker is open minded and can see other possible aspects of a situation you'd be oblivious too. So you're right, the weedsmoker wouldn't compete with you cause he/she done knocked you right out of the job.

The government thing is a great analogy too, remember alcohol was banned too for awhile, til they figured out how to get thier chunk of the market out of it.
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