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Marijuana Should Be Legalized
Hades.Rictor
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By Hades.Rictor 2009-11-08 18:42:46
Ug, old argument is old. If pot were legalized, what would pot-heads have to talk about, apart from remembering past times when they got high?
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By Lakshmi.Drekien 2009-11-08 18:44:11
Asura.Ludoggy said: Sylph.Otsego said: its a case by case situation.
A good friend of mine drives better and plays sports better when drunk.
Since its also a case by case situation I think he should be the exception of the rule and allowed to dui.
AS LONG AS HE DOESNT KILL NOBODY!
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-11-08 18:44:52
Bahamut.Avenged said: It has barely any or less harmful effects than alcohol. Really
I was like, "Hey, this could be a good topic", but then the OP posting what I quoted... No thanks. You obviously don't have the slightest clue. :P
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By Ramuh.Haseyo 2009-11-08 18:54:52
Seraph.Aena said: Geh, everyone I know well who uses/used it and defends it against being a gateway drug has gone on to experiment other stuff. Each one of them says it's just because they would have tried other stuff out of curiosity anyway, and that they individually know they're an/"the" exception. That term just bugs me. :[ (I'm not saying it is, but it seems to attract this type that kind of makes me want to /facepalm. @them - Your side of an argument kind of loses its power if even your own experiences don't support your idea.) Post placement might be a little off because of how fast this thread is going. For legalization, btw.
This is the main reason why I'm against it. It opens a wider window for other drugs since people get 'bored' of weed and need a 'higher fix,' thus trying stronger stuff.
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By Odin.Dirtyfinger 2009-11-08 18:56:26
This debate never gets old, but there are many good arguments for both sides, I have dutch roots where it is obviously legal there and let me tell you that because of this there is a lower % of pot users in comparison to other countries as it's a contained substance.
One reason why I'd personally like it to be legalized is so that the police can stop wasting their time fighting a cause that they're never really going to stop and put more time into catching rapist and murderers as in my mind this is more an issue than a bunch of stoners who sit at home and smoke pot and eat pizza.
Also you could say they should legalize the whole lot so pharmaceutical company's can research into it and sell it as a safer product which will also in turn stop drug dealers selling it, as if i was a user I'd sure as hell rather buy from a safe source than a guy down a dodgy ally.
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By Pandemonium.Liquidz 2009-11-08 18:59:57
Garuda.Wooooodum said: Bahamut.Avenged said: It has barely any or less harmful effects than alcohol. Really
I was like, "Hey, this could be a good topic", but then the OP posting what I quoted... No thanks. You obviously don't have the slightest clue. :P
Then enlighten us oh dear Wooooodum! I have read different studies going on both sides.
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By Lakshmi.Holman 2009-11-08 19:01:33
No more weed! It would be so many Dui's
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-11-08 19:02:24
Pandemonium.Liquidz said: Then enlighten us oh dear Wooooodum! I have read different studies going on both sides.
His argument for legalising marijuana is it "has any barely or less harmful effects than alcohol"? I can't even be bothered to argue that with somebody who only has that argument to throw about.
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By Lakshmi.Drekien 2009-11-08 19:02:58
Pandemonium.Liquidz said: Garuda.Wooooodum said: Bahamut.Avenged said: It has barely any or less harmful effects than alcohol. Really
I was like, "Hey, this could be a good topic", but then the OP posting what I quoted... No thanks. You obviously don't have the slightest clue. :P
Then enlighten us oh dear Wooooodum! I have read different studies going on both sides.
Yea, I think a fair statement to say is that its effects range from person to person. I'm also diggin the "drugfreeworld.org" add on the side as I'm typing this
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By Pandemonium.Rathz 2009-11-08 19:04:45
Saying that weed is not as harmful as alcohol is like saying that cutting someone's arm off isn't as harmful as killing them, so it should be allowed.
In other words, just because it's not as bad as something else, doesn't mean that it should be allowed. Personally, I think that weed isn't allowed is because it funds drug cartels, which are WAY worse then alcohol. Want proof? Wasn't Mexico having a drug war?
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-11-08 19:04:50
If drug dealers cant sell weed, they'll sell coke, crack, meth, pills.
if all drugs are legal maybe they'll just join the gun running business instead.
Just like how you cant get rid of illegal drug users, you cant get rid of criminals.
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By Odin.Moondaddy 2009-11-08 19:05:55
you all say weed is so bad, do you not know you could order heroine from sears back in the early 1900's. came in a plan package with needles even.
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By Ramuh.Haseyo 2009-11-08 19:07:12
Odin.Moondaddy said: you all say weed is so bad, do you not know you could order heroine from sears back in the early 1900's. came in a plan package with needles even.
And what does something in 1900 have to do with 2009?
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By Odin.Dirtyfinger 2009-11-08 19:08:08
Another example coming from Holland is the openness of sex, it is taught to the younger generation a lot more and open to the UK as example, in schools here it generally frowned upon in comparison so the children are a lot less aware. (like a taboo subject in a way)
Fact: Holland has one of the lowest teenage pregnancy rate and also one of the lowest HIV in the whole of Europe.
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By Kujata.Nanyo 2009-11-08 19:08:21
As long as we're not hurting others what does it matter what someone personaly decides to do? I think it should be a personal choice and provided it doesn't hurt others it should be legal.
Once we cross the process of it hurting others I agree. I'll admit I know nothing of weed, so it's alittle hard for me to tell what it's side effects are. But if it has a effect like Alchole the put similar limitations on it and be done with it.
/shrug, that's just what I think, never smoked Ciggerates or weed in my life so I don't really care what others want to do. (Plus @.@ I don't really like the smell of Ciggerates, but I just avoid people who smoke while they're smoking.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-11-08 19:09:23
Odin.Moondaddy said: you all say weed is so bad, do you not know you could order heroine from sears back in the early 1900's. came in a plan package with needles even.
You could beat your woman back then too, and kids were allowed to drink. Hell women werent even allowed to vote back in those days =P
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-11-08 19:10:11
Kujata.Nanyo said: As long as we're not hurting others what does it matter what someone personaly decides to do? I think it should be a personal choice and provided it doesn't hurt others it should be legal.
Because when you give the general public responsibility to make decisions, they wouldn't make the right ones. That's the whole point of it being illegal; it's making the more safer decision for people. If this choice was given to people, then people who aren't properly informed to the side effects and long term health risks of marijuana would make the ill informed choice.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-11-08 19:10:55
Odin.Dirtyfinger said: Another example coming from Holland is the openness of sex, it is taught to the younger generation a lot more and open to the UK as example, in schools here it generally frowned upon in comparison so the children are a lot less aware. (like a taboo subject in a way)
Fact: Holland has one of the lowest teenage pregnancy rate and also one of the lowest HIV in the whole of Europe.
Yeah...and the D.A.R.E. program worked sooooooooooo well teaching kids in elementy school that drugs are bad.
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By Bahamut.Avenged 2009-11-08 19:11:47
The black market is bad, right?
If pot was legalized, studies have shown that it would eliminate up to 80% of the black market. thats a helluva lot and would pump a lot more money into america's economy. its great
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By Pandemonium.Liquidz 2009-11-08 19:12:06
Asura.Ludoggy said: If drug dealers cant sell weed, they'll sell coke, crack, meth, pills.
if all drugs are legal maybe they'll just join the gun running business instead.
Just like how you cant get rid of illegal drug users, you cant get rid of criminals.
Of course but a lot of them would just have to stop selling because there would be a saturation in the coke, crack, meth and pills market. I can see a drug dealer telling his clients:
-"Oh since weed is illegal now I sell pills, wanna try some it's good?"
- "ok why not!"
But I can also see weed users not having to deal with illegal drug dealers anymore so less chance for them to end up having the chance to buy something new.
Garuda.Wooooodum said: Pandemonium.Liquidz said: Then enlighten us oh dear Wooooodum! I have read different studies going on both sides.
His argument for legalising marijuana is it "has any barely or less harmful effects than alcohol"? I can't even be bothered to argue that with somebody who only has that argument to throw about.
I understand your point but if his point is true it kind of make sense or open another debate, should alcohol be illegal.
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By Sylph.Otsego 2009-11-08 19:12:13
How many people arguing against weed being legal have actually smoked it? How many have done research on its side effects? How many people die per year from overusage of weed? We can argue this for the next 50 years, there are always going to be people on both sides of the fence. Sure, in other countries, drugs fund cartels, possibly even weed in there somewhere. Most of the people that argue for legalization lead normal lives, work at the same place you do, do the same jobs you do, and just as effectively. I've smoked pot on and off for the last 5 years, and I have been drinking since before i was 21. In my own personal experience, alcohol is by far worse than smoking weed. Both affect people differently, there are some people that can drive drunk, and do it better than when they are sober. But do some research on this question: How many people die a year in a car crash because they were high, and how many die a year in car crashes because they were drunk? The results may be shocking.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-11-08 19:12:53
Garuda.Wooooodum said:
Because when you give the general public responsibility to make decisions, they wouldn't make the right ones.
Yeah! That's why the government should be allowed to control how we live our lives, they know right from wrong and we are too stupid!
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By Lakshmi.Drekien 2009-11-08 19:13:03
Garuda.Wooooodum said: Kujata.Nanyo said: As long as we're not hurting others what does it matter what someone personaly decides to do? I think it should be a personal choice and provided it doesn't hurt others it should be legal.
Because when you give the general public responsibility to make decisions, they wouldn't make the right ones. That's the whole point of it being illegal; it's making the more safer decision for people. If this choice was given to people, then people who aren't properly informed to the side effects and long term health risks of marijuana would make the ill informed choice.
Actually, the point of it being illegal has changed over the years. It originally was outlawed solely because of corporate competition, not because someone ~died~ or had detrimental effects from it.
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By Kujata.Nanyo 2009-11-08 19:13:22
Garuda.Wooooodum said: Because when you give the general public responsibility to make decisions, they wouldn't make the right ones. That's the whole point of it being illegal; it's making the more safer decision for people.
So, the goverment should make all our decisions?
Maybe we should be like China and have all our life based off of a test that will tell us exactly what we're doing. I mean it'd pick the job we're most suited for, even though it'd remove all freedom to it.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-11-08 19:16:20
Bahamut.Avenged said: and would pump a lot more money into america's economy. its great
that's morally wrong.
"Oh I'm out of money...I guess I'll start selling drugs!"
and what makes you think the drug cartels wont just be able to out sell american growers?
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By Odin.Dirtyfinger 2009-11-08 19:17:52
Asura.Ludoggy said: what makes you think the drug cartels wont just be able to out sell american growers?
The fact that it would be legal voids this if you think about it.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-11-08 19:18:55
Odin.Dirtyfinger said: Asura.Ludoggy said: what makes you think the drug cartels wont just be able to out sell american growers?
The fact that it would be legal voids this if you think about it.
How? It's easy to sell things cheap if there is no big brother government taxing it?
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By Cerberus.Katarzyna 2009-11-08 19:19:20
Odin.Dirtyfinger said: Asura.Ludoggy said: what makes you think the drug cartels wont just be able to out sell american growers?
The fact that it would be legal voids this if you think about it.
Not if they sell it cheaper than the government would.
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By Lakshmi.Drekien 2009-11-08 19:19:31
Asura.Ludoggy said: that's morally wrong.
Thats pretty much the only reason why it isn't legal. Stuck up conservatives with morals
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