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 Lakshmi.Buukki
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2019-01-08 10:27:08
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HMP, Riftcinder, Beit prices are kind of ridiculous recently. I was talking to an LS member about it and he mentioned it is usually the result of the beginning/end of an Ambuscade cycle, which I agree with in some part. This time seems a little bit excessive, though. HMP prices grew by almost 3 million gil from 5.5m --> 8.2M, and the rise took less than two weeks. Riftcinder prices are kind of absurdly high, but they have been like this for 3 weeks, which doesn't technically coincide with Ambu refresh. Swarts have jumped back up a bit as well, and I'm seeing shouts from barely legal endgame players to buy them at fairly high prices... But Beastmen Medal prices have not recovered since the campaign?????

I get that there's a lot of transactions going on/end of year purchases, but who/what is responsible for these exceptionally high prices as of late? I want to say it's careless gilbuyers who are just throwing cash at everything, but it's never gotten this high before. Verethragna + Caladbolg (DRK) got bonuses recently, so perhaps it is due to an influx of players making those weapons. I'm not buying atm anyways, just wondering if anyone else has their tin foil witch hat on wondering wtf is going on here...
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2019-01-08 10:43:10
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This ambuscade heavily favors empyrean weapons. More people are realizing that empyrean weapons do amazing on wave2 dyna bosses. My shell has about 6 empyreans that have been/are being made in the past month, while there were none I can think of in the 3-4 months prior.

Beitetsu have never been in a great spot(I've been sold out of them pretty consistantly for years and I have chars tasked specifically to farming those BCs). But, Death Penalty bandwagon would certainly demand heavily on them and it's been long enough that there are probably quite a few people finishing up their bandwagon DPs around this time.

If it were a general problem, I would expect to see other things(HPB, plutons, alex, dyna currency, gear) spiking comparably. My guess is it's a shift in what people are making/currently working on. Could be entirely wrong, but that's my take on it.
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By Asura.Elizabet 2019-01-08 10:44:35
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Its because this months ambu you couldn't do VD with 2 ppl and 4 mules.. making supplies lower, driving demand prices up.
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By Asura.Meliorah 2019-01-08 10:51:33
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HMP market was very saturated during the VW campaign; I know myself alone introduced about 10,000 HMP into the market in that month. I can't speak for other members of my group that were doing the same thing.

I like to think in that time a lot of people started to push to buy up in that market and are now all competing with each other because they didn't have the funds to complete the weapons during the campaign and now prices are hyper inflated with demand being very high.

I don't think this is a matter of price gauging or price fixing by a single party.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2019-01-08 11:03:49
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buy low sell high bros.

it's the same simple supply and demand economics used by cartel drug dealers...

I noticed it on shiva the price on dyna currency dropped which then spiked the price on rocks because more people were upgrading relics.
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By Asura.Cambion 2019-01-08 11:07:30
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I did it.
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2019-01-08 11:55:48
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Asura.Cambion said: »
I did it.


For such a lovely crime I'll gladly do the time.
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By Asura.Bayonette 2019-01-08 12:14:53
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This month has been a pretty challenging ambuscade. Normally I burn through D and finish with 100k + total hallmarks. This month even N was a dice roll on the kiter, so i stopped around 25k and started holding my weekly seals.

Supply drying up, prices increase.

https://www.google.com/search?q=supply+and+demand&rlz=1C9BKJA_enUS701US705&oq=supply+&aqs=chrome.3.69i57j0l3.6724j1j7&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2019-01-08 12:19:48
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I see. All of those reasons do make sense. 3million gil hop on HMP in a couple short weeks is kind of, exorbitant though. But to each their own.
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2019-01-08 12:25:03
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
I see. All of those reasons do make sense. 3million gil hop on HMP in a couple short weeks is kind of, exorbitant though. But to each their own.


Could also be a bit of a correction. The prices of HMPs in particular are honestly too low @5mil/stack. That, combined with as Thorny said earlier about people seeing the potential of empys for wave2 dyna (smaller group of ppl on a server) and this month's ambu (the short term boost in their popularity) definitely can spike prices. Add in the trifecta of a shitty month for the average player (seeing shouts last month for PuGs tackling N/D vs this month shouts for E), and supply runs lower.

As with everything in our mock-up economy, too many things at play to say its just one.
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By Asura.Sirris 2019-01-08 12:45:47
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I don't get why pugs are struggling so hard with this month's Ambuscade? The kite method sucks and is a bit of a dice roll but using the ochain PLD + SMN Mewing Lullaby method and NIN NIN (DD/NIN?) BRD/NIN RDM or GEO is pretty easy on D and, if ninja are good enough, VD? Supplies of everything are kind of low and there are hardly any Ambu shouts. It's disappointing.

Hopefully next month is another SMNburn so that shouts will be more lively.
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By Asura.Meliorah 2019-01-08 12:49:49
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I love the people shouting for Nirv. SMN for Mewing... you don't even use Nirvana for Mewing lol.
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By Afania 2019-01-08 13:57:27
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Asura.Sirris said: »
I don't get why pugs are struggling so hard with this month's Ambuscade? The kite method sucks and is a bit of a dice roll but using the ochain PLD + SMN Mewing Lullaby method and NIN NIN (DD/NIN?) BRD/NIN RDM or GEO is pretty easy on D and, if ninja are good enough, VD? Supplies of everything are kind of low and there are hardly any Ambu shouts. It's disappointing.

Hopefully next month is another SMNburn so that shouts will be more lively.

There are 2 reasons for this:

1)The fact that PUG heavily favors certain job makes it hard for people.

2)Even in a tight knit endgame group, the strategy requires several wipe and practice to nail it down. There are too many in and outs in the fight. Almost everyone that I know of who do ambu with their endgame group wiped a couple of times.

In PUG it's impossible to get this level of trust and synergy to wipe a couple of times and learn the strat. You either get a win in 1 or 2 tries, of pt will disband. So that makes PUG even harder because experience can't accumulate.



As for 1) Basically if you don't have NIN tank RDM BRD SMN PUG won't invite you, even if you shout yourself you would still suffer without these jobs because if you are not NIN RDM tank smn geo, then every other members skill/gear requirement will pump up a tier. They will need better fc set and kill faster for safety etc. And that makes getting a pt of 6/6 harder.

I mean, vast majority of PUG DD and cor doesn't have capped FC set, some doesn't even have FC set. so that makes hate bounce much harder because they can't solo tank bigwig for too long. As a result:

-The DD slot kinda locked to NIN because people doesn't want 3 shadows DDs.

-Your 1st support is pretty much locked to brd because elegy is noticeably better even with NIN.

-pt will prefer slow 2 from rdm over 1, so none rdm healers are out.

Also the organization difficulty in N isn't much lower than V
D this month. You still need pretty good organization to get a N win unless you use kill/split adds strat which is slow. This is unlike previous months that you can use any setup in N and just get points. For example jobs like SMN DD BRD etc for mew and elegy/hate bounce still makes a difference in N unless you kill adds. But people with DD brd and smn will probably never join a N pt when they can do D+. So N pt are hard to fill up or they have to suck it up and kill adds. And D/VD pt with perfect setup can get quite a bit of points successfully.

Tl;dr if you have and use certain job you can do D pretty Well even with PUG, if you don't then even N is a nightmare.
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By Asura.Smoky 2019-01-08 14:28:54
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BLUF: Ambu sucks this month, that's why prices spiked.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2019-01-08 14:43:51
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This has been one of the easiest months by far for ambuscade recently. I don't know how people are saying the price surge is related specifically to the low amount of people doing ambu. I've gotten and seen so many shout groups and the fight actually welcomes tons of job combinations. It COULD be because it's not a summoner burn or whatever...But even that doesn't justify that crazy price jump alone. The combination of all the factors comeatmebro mentioned I can see makes sense.
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By Asura.Cambion 2019-01-08 14:48:40
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
I see. All of those reasons do make sense. 3million gil hop on HMP in a couple short weeks is kind of, exorbitant though. But to each their own.

I know you think I was kidding above, but I wasn't. At the end of last month I began collecting them because I was going to finish Twashstar. Someone else who was trying to finish their Empy at the same time, sent me a tell and said or did something that annoyed me. So I started shouting to buy them 5k each higher than their shout. Simultaneously I went to the Auction House, and bought every single stack that was up, every single that was up, and then proceeded to buy out every bazaar on guildwork that had them. At one point on Jan 1st, there were literally zero HMP anywhere on the server, other than my bazaar. I put exactly 1500 in my bazaar for 100k each, just so that person knew I had them. I watched the AH price rise naturally, as people reacted to the dried up market. Each day since I've bought every HMP I could find under my threshold and each night I bazaar them above market price. I've sold and refilled my inventory roughly 3 times this week.

So, while yes, the difficulty of Ambuscade has definitely helped make it easier to do, the extent in which the price has raised, is very likely my fault. Sorry not sorry.



As of right now:
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By Zerowone 2019-01-08 14:54:37
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Asura.Cambion said: »
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
I see. All of those reasons do make sense. 3million gil hop on HMP in a couple short weeks is kind of, exorbitant though. But to each their own.

I know you think I was kidding above, but I wasn't. At the end of last month I began collecting them because I was going to finish Twashstar. Someone else who was trying to finish their Empy at the same time, sent me a tell and said or did something that annoyed me. So I started shouting to buy them 5k each higher than their shout. Simultaneously I went to the Auction House, and bought every single stack that was up, every single that was up, and then proceeded to buy out every bazaar on guildwork that had them. At one point on Jan 1st, there were literally zero HMP anywhere on the server, other than my bazaar. I put exactly 1500 in my bazaar for 100k each, just so that person knew I had them. I watched the AH price rise naturally, as people reacted to the dried up market. Each day since I've bought every HMP I could find under my threshold and each night I bazaar them above market price. I've sold and refilled my inventory roughly 3 times this week.

So, while yes, the difficulty of Ambuscade has definitely helped make it easier to do, the extent in which the price has raised, is very likely my fault. Sorry not sorry.



As of right now:

This guy, gets it.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-01-08 15:07:16
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He understands the special kind of stupid that asura is infested with and took full advantage of it.

Kudos.
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By Lakshmi.Avereith 2019-01-08 15:20:26
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wow, what an ***
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By Asura.Smoky 2019-01-08 15:44:26
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^
That there is a businessman.
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By Valefor.Darvis 2019-01-08 16:04:27
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This is the best ***I've seen in a long time
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By Afania 2019-01-08 16:17:39
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Lakshmi.Avereith said: »
wow, what an ***


I blame whoever sent him tell in the first place.

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Someone else who was trying to finish their Empy at the same time, sent me a tell and said or did something that annoyed me. So I started shouting to buy them 5k each higher than their shout. Simultaneously I went to the Auction House, and bought every single stack that was up


Don't be a jerk to Cambion or else he retaliates with hmp price inflation!
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By clearlyamule 2019-01-08 17:08:58
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Or conversely out jerk Cambion and jack prices up right before being a jerk to him to get him to jack the prices up even more.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2019-01-08 17:35:07
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At first I thought the guy outsmarted him by making him purchase his own stacks of plates from AH. But holy ***, he must have been mad as ***.

I find it hilarious but at the same time, I'm safe on my server.
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By SimonSes 2019-01-08 17:50:59
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Cool story, but price of HMP stack jumped from 5M+ to almost 9M on Bahamut too.
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By Shiva.Siviard 2019-01-08 17:59:36
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SimonSes said: »
Cool story, but price of HMP stack jumped from 5M+ to almost 9M on Bahamut too.

Same on Shiva. Price went from 5.5M up to 7M in the past 2 days. Not as severe a spike compared to Bahamut, but it's noticeable.

I've noticed price spikes on other REMA items as well. High Purity Bayld for instance.
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2019-01-08 18:14:39
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SimonSes said: »
Cool story, but price of HMP stack jumped from 5M+ to almost 9M on Bahamut too.


If you're not aware yet that the economy of Asura IS the economy of the entire game...well, not sure what to say. There is no server that's not in the sphere of influence that Asura sways around like a pornstar hog when it comes to prices.
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By DaneBlood 2019-01-08 18:26:57
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
HMP, Riftcinder, Beit prices are kind of ridiculous recently. I was talking to an LS member about it and he mentioned it is usually the result of the beginning/end of an Ambuscade cycle, which I agree with in some part. This time seems a little bit excessive, though. HMP prices grew by almost 3 million gil from 5.5m --> 8.2M, and the rise took less than two weeks. Riftcinder prices are kind of absurdly high, but they have been like this for 3 weeks, which doesn't technically coincide with Ambu refresh. Swarts have jumped back up a bit as well, and I'm seeing shouts from barely legal endgame players to buy them at fairly high prices... But Beastmen Medal prices have not recovered since the campaign?????

I get that there's a lot of transactions going on/end of year purchases, but who/what is responsible for these exceptionally high prices as of late? I want to say it's careless gilbuyers who are just throwing cash at everything, but it's never gotten this high before. Verethragna + Caladbolg (DRK) got bonuses recently, so perhaps it is due to an influx of players making those weapons. I'm not buying atm anyways, just wondering if anyone else has their tin foil witch hat on wondering wtf is going on here...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand
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By Afania 2019-01-08 18:31:29
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Leviathan.Celebrindal said: »
SimonSes said: »
Cool story, but price of HMP stack jumped from 5M+ to almost 9M on Bahamut too.


If you're not aware yet that the economy of Asura IS the economy of the entire game...well, not sure what to say. There is no server that's not in the sphere of influence that Asura sways around like a pornstar hog when it comes to prices.


It's probably the combination of:
1) annoying ambuscade
2) the lack of VW campaign
3) some of the empy got really good last update
4) Asura prices

That affected the price of other servers.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Haxxor 2019-01-08 18:39:18
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I do appreciate these lulz.

Bonus points, get the guy who started the feud to post here. I'd like to hear about how important he is, and how he was done wrong. plz
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