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By dustinfoley 2015-02-20 06:51:35
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With the addition of +2 capacity and new attachments, I wanted to play around with new sets:


Mel-Rng (VE head, SS body) - Low acc - High dmg pet
8/4/8/8/8/5/7/4 (fire/ice/wind/earth/lightning/water/light/dark)
T. spring 2/3
M. Jammer 3
t. charger 1/2
Scope 2
ap3
Auto repair 3
optic fiber
stabl 3
coiler 2
volt gun

Pet stats:
1717 hp
865 acc/1081 atk/racc 907/ratt 1105/770 eva/779 def

With wind/wind/thunder maneuvers up:
881 acc/1081 atk/racc 935/ratt 1105/773eva/779 def
43% haste

You could swap wind wind thunder for wind fire thunder, and gain about 150 atk and ratt, but lose 20% haste. Ill take my haste.



Drum magazine - Decided to test the -acc on it
-16/-33/-60/-87 (-acc)
-2/-6/-8/-15 (-second dly)

You really shouldnt be using drum magazine. Unless you are farming stuff that is so far below you level wise, that your acc is capped. If you replace DM with scope 2, your looking at a net difference of 40 racc with no maneuvers, and 70 with just a single wind and 90 racc with 2 wind.
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By dustinfoley 2015-02-20 07:04:34
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RDM - You're salvage buddy, haste 2, big nukes, enfeebles. Best used when you cant use trusts/ you dont have a koru maru trust.

SW head/Sw body
1482 hp
1683 mp

4/9/6/7/5/8/5/8(fire/ice/wind/earth/lightning/water/light/dark)
A. repair 3
optic fiber
MJ 3
MJ 2
AP 3
AP2/Shock absorber 2
Accel 3
tranq 2
mana booster 2
looud speaker 2
mana tank 3
disrupter

What you get:
A pretty resilient pet, that can cast fast and do some decent dmg nukes. It will haste 2 you, but not big on cures. It will dispel the target (spikes/buffs).
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By Fenrir.Nezha 2015-02-22 19:48:24
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Valoredge Frame (Tank):

Turbo Charger I/II
Armor Plate II/III
A. Repair Kit II/III
Strobe I/II

Other four attachments depend on content, but typically I use:

Coiler I/II
Reactive Shield
Flame Holder

With these attachments set ups and my "Automaton Backline PDT" gear set outlined under itemsets, Valoredge caps PDT/DT at -87.5 without a single earth maneuver, allowing one to focus on DPS maneuvers and maintaining enmity. Using this method I've successfully soloed AA GK, AA HM, AA MR on normal.

Typical Maneuvers: Lightx3 -=> -87.5% PDT/-55%MDT with >100HP/tick regen (virtually indestrucable, but DPS slows)

Windx2 Fire -=> Maximizes Haste for DPS and voke for keeping hate

Windx2 Thunder -=> Optimizes Haste and adds more double attack

Other alternative is DPSing with pet using "Automaton Frontline PDT" gear set outlined under my itemsets, Valoredge caps PDT/DT at 87.5% and 55% MDT with only 1 earth maneuver, allowing master to keep Kenkonken on and having high enough accuracy to not need Shiromochi, in this case I use Riverfin/Oceanfin soup.

Typical Maneuvers: Earth Lightx2 -=> -87.5% PDT with > ~85HP/tick regen (still almost indestructable, and definitely will have no issue keeping him up between repairs)

Earth Windx2 -=> Haste maximization + PDT

Earth Firex2 -=> PDT + Enmity Maximization
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By Fenrir.Nezha 2015-02-22 20:02:37
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Valoredge Head/Sharpshot Frame (DPS/Tank):

Turbo Charger I/II
Armor Plate II/III
Coiler I/II
A. Repair Kit II/III
Scope II
Target Marker
Strobe I/II

This is a bit of a strange set up, but again using same PDT sets he caps PDT at 87.5% in 0~1 earth maneuvers, depending on content/play-style which decides whether you frontline or not. If using backline set, he is pretty undefeatable with Light Maneuver x3, but can cycle in DPS maneuvers if his HP is high to speed things up.

Valoredge Head/Sharpshot Frame (Pure DPS):

Turbo Charger I/II
(Drum Magazine)
Coiler I/II
Dynamo
Atunner
Tension Spring I/III
Flame Holder
Optic Fiber
A. Repair Kit III

Put Drum Magazine in parenthesis I use when I'm backlining, and my gear gives my pet so much R.ACC that it doesn't have accuracy issues. But in cases where I'm front lining with pet I focus more on ACC/RACC attachments.
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By Fenrir.Nezha 2015-02-22 20:13:21
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Purely my opinion, but looking at the bigger picture:

At this point I'm 99.9% happy with Valoredge, that last .1% is him still needing a bit more enmity for my liking. No one should ever argue their pets are paper thin now because head/frame combination can get extraordinarily high PDT assuming you have your 100 JP.

Sharpshot still needs TP return from Barrage Turbine and Double Shot attachment and I'd be 100% satisfied, because I can get Valoredge to put out 6k Bonecrushers under AM3 on Bats in Woh Gates. So Sharpshot needs to be doing better than that.

Soulsoother needs Curagas/Esuna, which would allow it to heal very well in party situations.

Stormwaker needs Distract II/Refresh II/Dia III.

Spiritreaver/Harlequin are very far behind.

What I think is more likely is us getting nerfed though because what we are capable of as of right now is almost unreal.
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By Sylph.Traxus 2015-02-22 22:07:16
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Do you know the numbers on armor plate 3?
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By dustinfoley 2015-02-23 05:25:47
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My VE TANK mode: This will solo tank AA MR on easy/v easy/ and is 50/50 on Normal, if i had a few more piece of pet gear, it would be set.

AP1/AP2/Barrier module
ACC 3/Turb 2
MJ 3
Ten spring 3/attuner
Auto repair 3/Optic fiber
Stab 3/ Target marker

Basically, pet only> I wear full pet gear + eat shiromochi.

Man: Earth (pdt/shield block rate) Light (constant hp regen) Wind/Thunder (wind for easy/very easy, thunder for Normal)

You can always make the pet more tanky, but i find

1) Strobe isnt needed, it holds agro with me doing non stop maneuvers
2) It needs the acc/atk or it cant hit at all and you time out with mob at 30%
3) Im addicted to optic fiber, id rather have it over a second hp module, just to increase all o my other attachments.
4) dmg reduction from barrier module is > using armor plate 1 (since ap2/3 are equiped and im using anwing salde with -10DT)
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By dustinfoley 2015-02-23 05:30:15
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The 100 jp trait + new attachments make all of our pets much more durable.

Id still like:

1) a melee pet
2) OR a JA that tells the pet 'attack from max range' 'attack from melee range only'. Range mode would be great for mages + SS on some bosses. Melee mode is pretty much required for any event you want your pet to do actual dmg on.

SS on its own is fairly decent, but i cant find myself using the SS head because of the pain of it NOT meleeing if the mob moves. With deploy on a 10s cool down means the pet gets 1 deploy per mob, and if it moves, im screwed on its dmg. Even solo my trusts will pull agro at the start sometimes, and then my pet does no dmg.

VE head + ss body solves pretty much all those problems and still cranks out 5k armor shatters. its range attack is about 2x as slow, but it has higher melee acc.
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By dustinfoley 2015-02-23 05:39:52
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Fenrir.Nezha said: »
Valoredge Head/Sharpshot Frame (Pure DPS):

Turbo Charger I/II
(Drum Magazine)
Coiler I/II
Dynamo
Atunner
Tension Spring I/III
Flame Holder
Optic Fiber
A. Repair Kit III

Put Drum Magazine in parenthesis I use when I'm backlining, and my gear gives my pet so much R.ACC that it doesn't have accuracy issues. But in cases where I'm front lining with pet I focus more on ACC/RACC attachments.

Pretty similar for me except:
TC1/TC2/(DM/SCOpe2)
Coiler 2/stab 3/ volt gun OR coiler 2/target marker/stab 2

No attunner/dynamo/tension spring 1, replaced with mana jammer 3,tension spring 2

There is so much wiggle room now it really depends on the mob.

i119+ content? How much acc does your pet have/need?
Sub i119 content? Does your pet need Manajammer or AR plate.
Attuner i would rank < target marker 99% of the time, our pets get stupid high atk thanks to tension spring being % based. I can easily hit 1200 atk on my pet, i have issues getting acc to the same point.

Definitly would even depend on the type of CP mob you are grinding on.
 
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By dustinfoley 2015-03-15 06:41:45
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ve head + ss body is our top dd frame from anything even level or lower. as long as your using wind wind thunder for capped haste. If ur ever deploying pet with no maneuvers, and thus no haste, SS/SS is the top dd frame.

On stuff = or higher than us, it will depend on the debuffs on the mob, but in general ve/ss will perofrm very close to, if not better than ve/ve.

No ws. ve/ve is king, once you account for weapon skills ve/ss pulls head due to the high dmg consistent nature of armor shatter (4.4kish) vs sting shreader (1.2-2.4kish).

i put together a very basic excel to show optimal attachments and how they affect frame dps, its a good starting point to see how they compare, its worth at least a peak.
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2015-03-15 13:44:19
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dustinfoley said: »
No ws. ve/ve is king, once you account for weapon skills ve/ss pulls head due to the high dmg consistent nature of armor shatter (4.4kish) vs sting shreader (1.2-2.4kish).

Something you're not reflecting in a parse or spreadsheet is that Armor Shatter def down effect increases DPS for all other DDs. The larger your party/alliance is, the more you benefit. Even solo, SS actually increases the master's DD power and VE does not. Something to consider.

Of course, there's always the consideration of pet survivability. It's certainly conceivable that VE can beat SS over time if it's constantly out in situations where SS would die more (strong AoE, etc.).
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By dustinfoley 2015-03-16 14:05:25
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I replied in the other thread, but basically its irrelevant to assume the def down potion of armor shatter.

On 113 or lower, stuff dies in 1 tp cycle, rarely will pet AND master get to both ws the same mob. Usually a pet ws for 4.4k = a dead mob.

On i119+ stuff in a party/alliance, geo will have frailty up the whole time, which negates armor shatter. Any good cp party will have a geo frailty. Not to mention its up pretty much non stop vs our pets that put it up and the mob is already half dead.

So that leaves i119 stuff solo, where the def down matters, and its not efficient to solo i119+ content for cp so i didnt bother to account for it.
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By baroma 2015-03-25 11:48:56
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Fenrir.Nezha said: »
Valoredge Head/Sharpshot Frame

Valoredge Head/Sharpshot Frame (Pure DPS):

Turbo Charger I/II
(Drum Magazine)
Coiler I/II
Dynamo
Atunner
Tension Spring I/III
Flame Holder

Optic Fiber
A. Repair Kit III

Put Drum Magazine in parenthesis I use when I'm backlining, and my gear gives my pet so much R.ACC that it doesn't have accuracy issues. But in cases where I'm front lining with pet I focus more on ACC/RACC attachments.

This doesnt add up right in the fire elemental. using Ve/SS

would be 9/8
 
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By dustinfoley 2015-04-20 08:34:11
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It depends on what your killing honestly, there are times when you need target marker, and times when you dont.

Solo - Fighting with pet - Mobs level = or lower than yours:
No acc attachments are really needed, acc food is enough.

Solo - pet only (using taeon pet gear):
No acc attachments needed, unless you are doing medium difficulty pet only events, than a target marker will be needed even with taeon +acc and food.

Party - fighting mobs > your level:
Need shiromochi+ target marker is usually enough to cap acc


Generally speaking, stabilizers dont add anywhere near enough acc (they are a raw +x, vs the atk equivalent which adds %atk). You are better off using coiler 1 and 2/dynamo and then popping a food for acc.

The fact that target marker ignores a % of evasion also makes it more effective the higher the target level is, so the amount of evasion ignored is usually enough that food alone will cap your pets acc.


Attuner:
Generally not worth it, our pets have pretty high atk already, and tension spring 1/2/3 give even more atk. It will depend on your target, but for most exp mobs, tension spring 2+3 will cap your atk for most things relevant. Also the ideal set of maneuvers is wind x2 + thunder, so if you arent doing a fire maneuver than attuner adds nothing.
 
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By Quetzalcoatl.Harmless 2015-05-06 18:09:02
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I'm back to work on PUP again and was wondering if you guys would mind sharing some ideal and situational attachment sets for WHM BLM and RDM autos? Great info here so far, thanks!
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By Odin.Pedohbearino 2015-05-21 17:55:27
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dustinfoley said: »
RDM - You're salvage buddy, haste 2, big nukes, enfeebles. Best used when you cant use trusts/ you dont have a koru maru trust.

SW head/Sw body
1482 hp
1683 mp

4/9/6/7/5/8/5/8(fire/ice/wind/earth/lightning/water/light/dark)
A. repair 3
optic fiber
MJ 3
MJ 2
AP 3
AP2/Shock absorber 2
Accel 3
tranq 2
mana booster 2
looud speaker 2
mana tank 3
disrupter

What you get:
A pretty resilient pet, that can cast fast and do some decent dmg nukes. It will haste 2 you, but not big on cures. It will dispel the target (spikes/buffs).

Aren't your elements off?
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By dustinfoley 2015-05-22 05:32:37
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Erm id have to check, but thats with the 100 jp gift. Unless you mean i listed tem in the wrong order
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By Odin.Pedohbearino 2015-05-22 06:44:48
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dustinfoley said: »
Erm id have to check, but thats with the 100 jp gift. Unless you mean i listed tem in the wrong order

Sorry my bad. I didn't play PUP for long, and get that many jobpoints yet. :P
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By Ragnarok.Allslove 2015-05-23 07:16:23
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What would you guys suggest for attachment setups for those of us without the 100 JP Elemental Capacity Gift yet?
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By dustinfoley 2015-05-23 09:27:33
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Well i personally prefer melee ranger (ve head + ss body) over all other pets for solo:

Using wind/wind/thunder maneuvers

Trash mobs (stuff in cirda cavern)
Wind: TC1/TC2
Fire: TS1/TS3
Thunder: Coiler1/Coiler2
light: auto repair 3/ optic fiber
earth: ap3/ap1
water: resistor 2


CP group mobs (stuff where you need shiromochi)
Coiler 1-> target marker


I dont like inhibitor cause ...well it inhibts your dps cause your pet is constantly waiting to WS, and when you kill stuff in 1 ws, it never gets to skill chain. And on tougher stuff where it might get to skill chain, the higher attack from tension springs will benefit you more since it will cap your pets attack.
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By Fenrir.Cherrywine 2015-07-12 15:11:36
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Fenrir.Nezha said: »
Valoredge Frame (Tank):

Turbo Charger I/II
Armor Plate II/III
A. Repair Kit II/III
Strobe I/II

Other four attachments depend on content, but typically I use:

Coiler I/II
Reactive Shield
Flame Holder

With these attachments set ups and my "Automaton Backline PDT" gear set outlined under itemsets, Valoredge caps PDT/DT at -87.5 without a single earth maneuver, allowing one to focus on DPS maneuvers and maintaining enmity. Using this method I've successfully soloed AA GK, AA HM, AA MR on normal.

Typical Maneuvers: Lightx3 -=> -87.5% PDT/-55%MDT with >100HP/tick regen (virtually indestrucable, but DPS slows)

Windx2 Fire -=> Maximizes Haste for DPS and voke for keeping hate

Windx2 Thunder -=> Optimizes Haste and adds more double attack

Other alternative is DPSing with pet using "Automaton Frontline PDT" gear set outlined under my itemsets, Valoredge caps PDT/DT at 87.5% and 55% MDT with only 1 earth maneuver, allowing master to keep Kenkonken on and having high enough accuracy to not need Shiromochi, in this case I use Riverfin/Oceanfin soup.

Typical Maneuvers: Earth Lightx2 -=> -87.5% PDT with > ~85HP/tick regen (still almost indestructable, and definitely will have no issue keeping him up between repairs)

Earth Windx2 -=> Haste maximization + PDT

Earth Firex2 -=> PDT + Enmity Maximization

I'm hitting a wall when it comes to equipping both A. Repair Kits II and III. With VE head and frame, I only have 5 total light slots. Will I get more as my Pup lv. increases, I am only 78, or am I missing some other detail?

Thank you for your time!
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By Fenrir.Cherrywine 2015-07-12 15:24:00
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I answered my own question... JP gift. Well, while I'm here... Any updates to ideal sets? Specifically for pet-focused tanking. My master set will just be designed to help my automaton hold up and tank for the team.
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By Cerberus.Elvyn 2015-07-12 16:10:36
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Not sure If I'd call it perfect but I use on my tank

Auto-Repair III
Auto-Repair II
Mana-Jammer III
Dynamo
Coiler
Coiler II
Shock Absorber II
Armor Plate III
Barrier Module II
Turbo Charger
Turbo Charger II
Strobe II

With a Standard repair kit (Foire Babouches +1 and Guignol earring)I never seem to have any problems with 90% of what I fight. I could farm a Teaon set with Regen or Repair on it, but it seems a lot of hassle for little reward lol.
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By Fenrir.Cherrywine 2015-07-12 22:41:03
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I'm aiming to tank ilvl 135 content. I can do it on PLD, so I'm interested to see how far PUP can be pushed.
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By Phoenix.Erlayn 2015-08-21 16:55:57
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Can anyone post their updated sets with the new attachments that were released in the Aug update?
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