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 Asura.Kuji
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By Asura.Kuji 2009-08-17 03:07:50
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not to all only to some:

stop acting like its your way or the highway!
BRD who i had been pting with (BRD BRD COR RDM DRK WAR) DRK has a relic Apoc
were gettin 20k an hr. WAR leaves and i grab a relic SAM! 2x relic and no provoke. domination squad 30k you can have this right? BRD stops pulling and says get a provoke or i stop...

GGRRR

sorry lol im not tryin to cause a 10 pg dramalama and i know no one cares but damnit! im sure some of you have run into this> share

(we dont have to stand for this! lol)
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By Diabolos.Beaster 2009-08-17 03:24:01
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As a BRD I'll say this - a dead BRD pulls no mobs. Provoke is generally the easiest way to pull a mob off the puller.

That being said, a BRD who can't blink tank for 3+ sets of shadows is no BRD at all.
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By Asura.Kuji 2009-08-17 03:30:46
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2 relic DDs is grounds to say atleast try it... he was JP so of course it was hard to explain to him but i was thinkin are you kidding! id be so psyched to be in this pt (as i was lol)
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By Kujata.Akeda 2009-08-17 11:26:37
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After lvling Bard to 75 then going back to Scholar I can honestly say that some people shouldn't even be allowed to play the job because they are that bad at it, or have such a bad attitude when someone corrects them or doesn't play how they want to.

My biggest rant against bards are the ones who can't keep up with songs. This annoys me the most when I'm not on bard, because I know it's not that hard to keep up 4 songs and pull at the same time. Just because I have Sublimation as SCH doesn't mean I don't need Ballad.

Bards have no excuse for not keeping up with songs, unlike Corsair who have to wait a minute between rolls and sometimes get that annoying 'That roll is already active' message (Which is so annoying btw).

This reminds me of the dumbest bard I ever partied with. We were at the Leypoint synced to his level (55). He didn't do any songs except the occasional Minuet and Ballad 1, but what was really bad was he'd pull with Requiem. After it got provoked he'd run out and Requiem another and pull it back and he'd try to sleep the mob, and when it didn't stay asleep he'd run around in circles waiting for the PLD to provoke it off him. He died 5 times, but kept pulling the same way and no one bothered to say anything because they wanted a BRD in the pt. >.<
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2009-08-17 11:34:04
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I gotta say that it does help having someone to voke off you when pulling on brd. the DD's expect you to have a mob ready for the as soon as the other one is dead, so there's really no time to stand right next to the melee's waiting for someone to start attacking to get hate off you. ofcourse, having 2 brd's + cor in the party I'd assume that the non pulling brd would be the one keeping the mobs slept.
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By Fenrir.Tokii 2009-08-17 12:55:29
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Elegying+sleeping birds first thing can get more hate on the brd than a single swing from a dd can pull off him, so having someone there to provoke really is best for the party~ But the drk could easily have stunned to keep the birds from running to your brd.
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By Unicorn.Excesspain 2009-08-17 13:34:04
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Aside from the occasional "JP ONRY!" I haven't had many picky brds.
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By Shiva.Jimmyjazz 2009-08-17 14:39:18
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Recently in a merit pt @greater birds I had a bard bounce from pt QQ'ing because he kept getting lullaby'd.
Spammin pt chat with zzz almost every second pull the rdm finally voiced his discontent saying "I know, I can see you've been slept, don't spam that ***I will wake you up when I'm not mid-cast."
The brd; "I can't keep songs up and sleep birds and keep chain going if I'm zz'd!QQ"
A couple more pulls of the same ***and he finally disbanded all butthurt.
A brd who can't keep shadows and songs up @greater birds is pretty fail...
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By Phoenix.Astronym 2009-08-17 15:03:12
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i dont mind brds who try i hate the ones who seek in wg and ask ten thousand details about your party before they even consider joining, then make demands, then are like oh bird only. and i dont /nin. and get another brd. and hurry cause i have an hour. and then when you get aLL that ***together theyre like oh i got an inv from this other pt i'm going with them......... yeah. ls merit parties are my preference nowadays, we all have different jobs and can switch it up whenever so its not an issue.
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By Ramuh.Thunderz 2009-08-17 15:10:37
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when im solo brd pulling for pt

voke is cool but not needed.

and I tend not to ballad my mages

and when I do, I just toss a ballad II and thats it

when im pulling chain in a competitive enviroment and have raping DDs. I rather save that 10s to find another bird then refresh my rdm

Im pretty sure he can live without it anyways
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By Seraph.Caiyuo 2009-08-17 15:33:41
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Why was the relic SAM not subbing /war?! lolol Weirdo! I assume /DRG? It seems nice, but I'd hate feeling helpless like that without provoke as a DD. It's handy for directing traffic. :c
 
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By Seraph.Caiyuo 2009-08-17 15:35:18
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I edited Mabrook after realizing a relic SAM is probably rocking SAM/DRG. XD If not, then I have no idea. lol
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By Ramuh.Thunderz 2009-08-17 15:39:19
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hes obviously *** around

lol you guys taking it srsly
 
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By Ramuh.Thunderz 2009-08-17 15:44:47
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yeah but like OP stated when he came around they are doing 30k/hr

so he was actually doing good

The bard was just Q.Q'ing too much

also I had times people came sam/rng to mess around I didn't mind.

Meripos are Super boring tbh
 
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By Diabolos.Neokaingel 2009-08-17 15:53:14
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Astronym said:
i dont mind brds who try i hate the ones who seek in wg and ask ten thousand details about your party before they even consider joining, then make demands, then are like oh bird only. and i dont /nin. and get another brd. and hurry cause i have an hour. and then when you get aLL that ***together theyre like oh i got an inv from this other pt i'm going with them......... yeah. ls merit parties are my preference nowadays, we all have different jobs and can switch it up whenever so its not an issue.


Yeah... this...

Worst of all is when you ask and they expect to be pampered with an additional bard. All of which is why I'll never ask a bard to party, I know I can get just as good exp/hr with only 2 other DRGs.
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By Pandemonium.Vincevalentine 2009-08-20 16:52:35
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Thunderz said:
yeah but like OP stated when he came around they are doing 30k/hr

so he was actually doing good


From what I gathered, the bard didn't even give it a chance. If they had gotten to try it, it -would- have been 30k/hr. And hell, one swing from an Apoc Dark Knight or Amano SAM should have pulled it off the bard without issue. That was just a stupid JP.

And yeah, /war or GTFO, unless you're extremely limited in healing or something strange.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-08-20 17:09:30
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Mabrook said:
WTF IS THE SAM DOING GOING ANYTHING OTHER THAN SAM/WAR TO A MERIPO!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

SAM/DRG with a Wyvern Earring to cap Haste? Rukenshin was a big advocate of it, said it took a really aggressive player to make it work though.
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By Phoenix.Jile 2009-08-20 17:19:41
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Akeda said:
This reminds me of the dumbest bard I ever partied with. We were at the Leypoint synced to his level (55). He didn't do any songs except the occasional Minuet and Ballad 1, but what was really bad was he'd pull with Requiem. After it got provoked he'd run out and Requiem another and pull it back and he'd try to sleep the mob, and when it didn't stay asleep he'd run around in circles waiting for the PLD to provoke it off him. He died 5 times, but kept pulling the same way and no one bothered to say anything because they wanted a BRD in the pt. >.<


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, you didn't want BRD in pt, you wanted to watch BRD die lol!!
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By Leviathan.Antonioklaus 2009-08-21 03:08:51
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As a career Ghorn bard with max -cast gear, if you don't hit and get hate on the mob before my lullaby wears off, you won't see the mob cause I'm already gone pulling another. My LS used to static bird camp on Wednesday nights. My friend Samuri has Relic Gaxe and we pumped out 30k/hr usually. I can't even tell you how many times they would yell at me in teamspeak to come back cause the bird was chasing me across the map. That was with a warrior voking mobs every 30 secs.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-08-21 03:46:43
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Thunderz said:
when im solo brd pulling for pt

voke is cool but not needed.

and I tend not to ballad my mages

and when I do, I just toss a ballad II and thats it

when im pulling chain in a competitive enviroment and have raping DDs. I rather save that 10s to find another bird then refresh my rdm

Im pretty sure he can live without it anyways

I'm demoting you as head of the spoony club.
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By Unicorn.Smurfo 2009-08-21 04:20:25
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Ludoggy said:
Thunderz said:
when im solo brd pulling for pt

voke is cool but not needed.

and I tend not to ballad my mages

and when I do, I just toss a ballad II and thats it

when im pulling chain in a competitive enviroment and have raping DDs. I rather save that 10s to find another bird then refresh my rdm

Im pretty sure he can live without it anyways

I'm demoting you as head of the spoony club.


A nicely geared mage doesnt need ballads =P +6mp/tick refresh rdm w/o ballads yes plz.

Anyway on the subject:

voke is definitely a plus but not really needed.

The only way i PT bard anymore is BRD + COR or BRD + BRD. And why not? A job thats really lame to play but very useful and in high demand with not many people seek on it have that luxury,

It's sorta like supply and demand... anyway why should I go and accommodate for some party that would be inferior to one that would be less stressful and more xp/hr when i could be in any party i want?

Don't like it then suck it or go level the loljob of bard and bard for your own stupid *** party.

Bard is an extremely repetitive, boring *** job, you don't get any cool #'s to QQ over like the melees who click auto attack then afk whenever the hell they want without saying a word.

Nope, not bard, we have to be there 100% of the party or the party gets no exp while we're afk and everybody cries if we have to break the chain to take a piss (perform necessary bodily functions) because no melees know how to pull anymore, much less do they carry ranged attacks just in case they do have to.

Bard is everybody's *** in a party.

The extra kill speed = exp/hr of having a second buffing job with you is the only way to make playing such a mundane role worthwhile.

If it's not 2 bards or me and a cor i'd much rather just be on one of my melee jobs and be that guy going QQ over #'s or the guy who takes 20 seconds to engage each mob because i'm too busy looking at porn in my web browser window.

What strikes me as odd though is that people would take it to public forums to cry over bards, if bard is so damn awesome of a job and you want a bard in your party that bad go level it, then you can have a bard in your party anytime you want.

Don't *** and cry at other people for not wanting to exp with your gimp *** and more than likely horrid party setups.
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By Fenrir.Sethimothy 2009-08-21 04:22:43
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Akeda said:
My biggest rant against bards are the ones who can't keep up with songs. This annoys me the most when I'm not on bard, because I know it's not that hard to keep up 4 songs and pull at the same time. Just because I have Sublimation as SCH doesn't mean I don't need Ballad.


Only four songs? The Princess Paladin in my last party got angry at me for not keeping up, essentially, 8, all while pulling (double acc. front row double ballad back row double ballad PLD threnody requeim, elegy doesn't really count because I used that to pull) and after getting BRD to 60 in that party I haven't touched the job since.

Anyways, back to the OP: oh noes someone left your party because they didn't want to be there, suck it up. Doesn't really matter if the reason they left was stupid, trivial, or what - they left. Any member of a party can do this. I'm really curious what subjob that SAM was using as well. Seeing waaay too many SAM/NIN in merit parties these days.
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By Unicorn.Smurfo 2009-08-21 04:47:53
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Sethimothy said:
Akeda said:
My biggest rant against bards are the ones who can't keep up with songs. This annoys me the most when I'm not on bard, because I know it's not that hard to keep up 4 songs and pull at the same time. Just because I have Sublimation as SCH doesn't mean I don't need Ballad.


Only four songs? The Princess Paladin in my last party got angry at me for not keeping up, essentially, 8, all while pulling (double acc. front row double ballad back row double ballad PLD threnody requeim, elegy doesn't really count because I used that to pull) and after getting BRD to 60 in that party I haven't touched the job since.

Anyways, back to the OP: oh noes someone left your party because they didn't want to be there, suck it up. Doesn't really matter if the reason they left was stupid, trivial, or what - they left. Any member of a party can do this. I'm really curious what subjob that SAM was using as well. Seeing waaay too many SAM/NIN in merit parties these days.


I'm curious as to what those melee must have been equipped with if they needed/actually asked you to do double acc. I think the only time i've EVER casted double madrigal in any exp party was for mamool ja lurkers and that's only if the melee are extremely sub-par... any decent melee is fine with just blade madrigal.

Threnody and requim though? They cared about your worthless DoT song and you guys had a blm or something i'm a bit confused?

P.S. Your whole situation of song problems could have been remedied like this, although it would require competent melees and paladin which is not usually the case:

Melee -> Mob <- Paladin <- Mage

Like this you only sing melee songs, then you stand between paladin and mages and do ballad, its easy as long as you know your song range.

Pianissmo(sp?) is nice and all but i don't want to do extra songs unless a melee is willing to go pull, if they can't handle standing in a simple order they don't deserve any special treatment to compensate for their lack of ability.

There is no reason you should have to cast the same set of songs twice in one fight is what im saying. Even though you do have a nifty JA that lets you target 1 player, its *** and slows down the party if the puller to recast it.
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By Fenrir.Sethimothy 2009-08-21 05:02:49
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Smurfo said:

Threnody and requim though? They cared about your worthless DoT song and you guys had a blm or something i'm a bit confused?


I don't think the party, in and of itself, particularly cared. The PLD though... seriously, *** him, and there were no other tanks looking. Threnodies because we had a SCH who asked. This was a crawler party in Aydeewa Subterrane , if that matters.

Actually, ever since I started leveling BRD, it's been nothing but parties that have pretty crazy demands. I just think that party there was the one that made me realize that BRD might not be for me. I honestly wish I could get away with being that bard who double marches (or whatever) the front line, throws up a single ballad on the backline, and says "*** it" until the front line needs songs again. Instead, I've been doing crazy, and stupid ***like pulling ever since I was in the dunes (because that's what the party expects.)

I can definately understand where princess bards come from, that's for sure.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-08-21 05:05:51
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Kuji said:
not to all only to some:

stop acting like its your way or the highway!
BRD who i had been pting with (BRD BRD COR RDM DRK WAR) DRK has a relic Apoc
were gettin 20k an hr. WAR leaves and i grab a relic SAM! 2x relic and no provoke. domination squad 30k you can have this right? BRD stops pulling and says get a provoke or i stop...

GGRRR

sorry lol im not tryin to cause a 10 pg dramalama and i know no one cares but damnit! im sure some of you have run into this> share

(we dont have to stand for this! lol)


You know how I deal w/ shitty bards? I drop their *** and get someone new. When I make a pt, its my way or the highway I'm the leader.

That being said, unless your sam was subbing drg, he should have been subbing war to begin w/ (I'm assuming he's subbing nin?)

Anyways, if you can get a dancer worth a damn, brd cor dnc mage DD DD is better than brd cor brd mage dd dd to begin w/, provided they have merited haste samba.

The relic drk should be at 25% haste from catastrophe.
25 + 11 + 9 (marches) + 15 (haste) + 10 (hasso) puts you at 70% haste. W/ a dancer, you go from 70% haste to 80% haste.

% increase = Added haste/100-total haste

10/100-80 = 10/20 = 50% increase to the drk's DoT and WS frequency. Double minuet doesn't even come close to being in the same league as that kind of increase.

As for your 2nd dd, provided they are a 2hander w/ decent gear, should at least have 20% haste in gear, adding all those buffs up the same

Goes from 65 to 75% haste

10/100-75 = 10/25 = 40% increase in DoT and WS frequency.

The only problem is finding a dnc worth a damn. You need a good one, who can keep the samba up full time and who plays very aggressively, most of the time being the first to hit the mob so that the samba is on the entire fight, not after your 2 dds have already started at it and its sitting at 80%. The samba alone beats anything a 2nd brd could hope to add in this party set up. Then you have w/e damage the dnc has to offer to go on top of that.
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By Leviathan.Antonioklaus 2009-08-21 22:41:01
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I am leveling my thf right now in a LS static. Or Rdm who has a busy life had to dip out. We grabbed a BRD in his place (One of our guys brings his 75rdm to PL). Pt was, PLD, MNK, THF, COR, BRD, BLM doing Crawlers at Aydw. Sub. The BRD was sitting in the middle of the party next to the mnk casting songs and then pianissimoing the pld and the blm. He couldn't keep up songs cause he was basically singing 6 songs. Never Finale'd the crawler. Infrequently Elegy'd them. Of course, I was pulling on thf so he didn't even have that excuse under his belt.

The problem with brd is you can do it naked and ppl still feal like they are owed something for being on brd. How many of these BRDs are even stacking gear to break the haste cap?
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2009-08-21 23:24:34
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Smurfo said:


A nicely geared mage doesnt need ballads =P +6mp/tick refresh rdm w/o ballads yes plz.

Anyway on the subject:

voke is definitely a plus but not really needed.

The only way i PT bard anymore is BRD + COR or BRD + BRD. And why not? A job thats really lame to play but very useful and in high demand with not many people seek on it have that luxury,

It's sorta like supply and demand... anyway why should I go and accommodate for some party that would be inferior to one that would be less stressful and more xp/hr when i could be in any party i want?

Don't like it then suck it or go level the loljob of bard and bard for your own stupid *** party.

Bard is an extremely repetitive, boring *** job, you don't get any cool #'s to QQ over like the melees who click auto attack then afk whenever the hell they want without saying a word.

Nope, not bard, we have to be there 100% of the party or the party gets no exp while we're afk and everybody cries if we have to break the chain to take a piss (perform necessary bodily functions) because no melees know how to pull anymore, much less do they carry ranged attacks just in case they do have to.

Bard is everybody's *** in a party.

The extra kill speed = exp/hr of having a second buffing job with you is the only way to make playing such a mundane role worthwhile.

If it's not 2 bards or me and a cor i'd much rather just be on one of my melee jobs and be that guy going QQ over #'s or the guy who takes 20 seconds to engage each mob because i'm too busy looking at porn in my web browser window.

What strikes me as odd though is that people would take it to public forums to cry over bards, if bard is so damn awesome of a job and you want a bard in your party that bad go level it, then you can have a bard in your party anytime you want.

Don't *** and cry at other people for not wanting to exp with your gimp *** and more than likely horrid party setups.


hehe i totally agree with this =P
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