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By Carbuncle.Luloo 2014-04-04 04:57:06
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http://www.ffxiah.com/members/item-sets/?id=321891

Any melioration that comes to mind?

Haste 25%
Fastcast 80%

I still dont get if recast-14% of apamajas2 is counted solo or in the pool of 40% cap recast from fastcast, in case of second option that can put on staff any mac as venabulum or skirmish+2 or new lion's staff

Another option would be fit mephitis grip for the +5 mac and then put on belt phos or another >7% haste belt
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By Phoenix.Demonjustin 2014-04-04 05:51:54
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These are the 2 sets I made, solo uses the Stun Staff and gets to 27.6% Recast, or 12.4 Seconds. The Marches set uses a MAcc staff, with double March+4 it caps. This is the recast calculator I made, if anyone sees any problems with it please let me know. :D

As for your set itself, that set reaches 27.8% Recast, or 12.5 Seconds with only Self Haste. The only improvements I can think for the set in general would be taking out the back and earring for more MAcc since you can get Fast Cast as an augment on the Hands if I'm not mistaken.
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By Ragnarok.Tokuzi 2014-07-02 09:15:09
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Whats the lowest recast set ? Am getting 9 sec with marches , can it be any lower ?
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By Ragnarok.Drewbles 2014-07-02 09:20:14
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Ragnarok.Tokuzi said: »
Whats the lowest recast set ? Am getting 9 sec with marches , can it be any lower ?
What set you using?
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-07-02 09:22:02
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base recast is 45 seconds, lowest recast without breaking the cap is 9 seconds, 4.5 with alacrity. For RDM, it can't get much lower than 9 outside of chainspell.
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By Ragnarok.Drewbles 2014-07-02 09:26:25
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Question that only kinda goes here, how much dmg are people
Doing nuking in delve 2? For removing tree aura?
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By Ragnarok.Tokuzi 2014-07-02 10:15:46
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Ragnarok.Drewbles said: »
Ragnarok.Tokuzi said: »
Whats the lowest recast set ? Am getting 9 sec with marches , can it be any lower ?
What set you using?

Somthing like this

ItemSet 313182

Tho with marches i use Macc staff since it wont matter with apajamas II
I tried them both with marches ...9 sec is my cap !! 2 ppl in my server told me that it can go lower than that.. but it seems not true
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By Ragnarok.Tokuzi 2014-07-02 10:22:04
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Ragnarok.Drewbles said: »
Question that only kinda goes here, how much dmg are people
Doing nuking in delve 2? For removing tree aura?

Never did that , but its fun when i go rdm to wkr and pull hate lol sometime boss has MDB that i need to debuff first after noticing low damages, on marjami wkr T1 stone ~1k not sure if that is good or not .. but i use Macc nuking set for that or even full Macc .

If u dont like ur damage in nuke'n , try more Macc along with it .
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-07-02 16:02:13
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Ragnarok.Tokuzi said: »
Ragnarok.Drewbles said: »
Ragnarok.Tokuzi said: »
Whats the lowest recast set ? Am getting 9 sec with marches , can it be any lower ?
What set you using?

Somthing like this

ItemSet 313182

Tho with marches i use Macc staff since it wont matter with apajamas II
I tried them both with marches ...9 sec is my cap !! 2 ppl in my server told me that it can go lower than that.. but it seems not true


9 seconds is the lowest recast you can get without breaking the cap via alacrity, but it's plenty fast for most things. There is the odd instance where a mob will use the same TP move that needs to be stunned less than 10 seconds apart, but it's rare. Most of the time, stun will last 1-2 seconds, so factoring the casting time you're still about a second ahead of them using their TP move in the worst scenario.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai 2014-07-02 16:27:06
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Isn't it alot sooner than less than 10 seconds? Like, immediately? An immediate example of what you're talking about pops up in my head that goes back to HNM days.

I'd stun Cerberus's Hades, then as soon as stun wore he'd ready it again, which wouldn't be possible under normal circumstances, such as regaining 100tp via damage before stun wore.

Always wondered what causes it, think I just thought of it as some bug that occasionally didn't wipe enemies TP when stunned.
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By Ragnarok.Drewbles 2014-07-02 16:47:02
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Ragnarok.Tokuzi said: »
Ragnarok.Drewbles said: »
Question that only kinda goes here, how much dmg are people
Doing nuking in delve 2? For removing tree aura?

Never did that , but its fun when i go rdm to wkr and pull hate lol sometime boss has MDB that i need to debuff first after noticing low damages, on marjami wkr T1 stone ~1k not sure if that is good or not .. but i use Macc nuking set for that or even full Macc .

If u dont like ur damage in nuke'n , try more Macc along with it .
What ones your nuking set look like? Just trying to see what would be sufficent, I have an ideal.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-07-02 18:08:25
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stunning doesn't remove it's tp, delve stuff just alternate actions. melee, spell, melee, tp move, melee, spell, etc. it's very rare to see them tp back to back.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-07-02 18:29:05
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Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai said: »
I'd stun Cerberus's Hades, then as soon as stun wore he'd ready it again, which wouldn't be possible under normal circumstances, such as regaining 100tp via damage before stun wore.
What made you think stunning removed tp O.O?
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-07-02 18:35:15
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Asura.Ccl said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai said: »
I'd stun Cerberus's Hades, then as soon as stun wore he'd ready it again, which wouldn't be possible under normal circumstances, such as regaining 100tp via damage before stun wore.
What made you think stunning removed tp O.O?

I would assume ranging the mob when it readies in a situation where it can't perform the TP move (similar to how we lose TP when we attempt to WS from too far away) would work that way, though.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2014-07-02 18:58:23
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Ragnarok.Tokuzi said: »
Ragnarok.Drewbles said: »
Ragnarok.Tokuzi said: »
Whats the lowest recast set ? Am getting 9 sec with marches , can it be any lower ?
What set you using?

Somthing like this

ItemSet 313182

Tho with marches i use Macc staff since it wont matter with apajamas II
I tried them both with marches ...9 sec is my cap !! 2 ppl in my server told me that it can go lower than that.. but it seems not true

I wouldn't use the magian staff on RDM, a 119 staff would be a better choice due to RDM's E ranked dark skill. You should be slamming into the 9s floor with two march's and your own haste.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-07-02 19:01:28
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Lakshmi.Saevel said: »
Ragnarok.Tokuzi said: »
Ragnarok.Drewbles said: »
Ragnarok.Tokuzi said: »
Whats the lowest recast set ? Am getting 9 sec with marches , can it be any lower ?
What set you using?

Somthing like this

ItemSet 313182

Tho with marches i use Macc staff since it wont matter with apajamas II
I tried them both with marches ...9 sec is my cap !! 2 ppl in my server told me that it can go lower than that.. but it seems not true

I wouldn't use the magian staff on RDM, a 119 staff would be a better choice due to RDM's E ranked dark skill. You should be slamming into the 9s floor with two march's and your own haste.

I have fastcast on my Lehbrailg +2 and get a 10 second recast with just haste and rarely had macc issues. Apajamas you can get away with on RDM with the metric ***-ton of Macc on other gear, but ya, you're better off with a slightly longer recast and a 119 staff. You don't know you're low on accuracy until your DD's eat a Lahar.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai 2014-07-02 19:58:53
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@Ccl

Hmmm, I've always thought that it did, because, aside from rare instances, or when a mob was getting burned down by a good number of DDs w/ max buffs, after a stun, mobs didn't use another TP ability for quite some time.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-07-02 20:29:35
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It's just a mechanic of the way mobs behave. Generally speaking, above 50% they will TP randomly, below 50% they will TP randomly up to 200% TP, below 25% they will TP at 100.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Taberifx 2014-07-02 21:22:46
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50FCGear+30JobTraitFC +26%haste +murg/genbu magicacc
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2014-07-02 21:31:49
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Odin.Jassik said: »
It's just a mechanic of the way mobs behave. Generally speaking, above 50% they will TP randomly, below 50% they will TP randomly up to 200% TP, below 25% they will TP at 100.

random all the way down to 25
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By Leviathan.Siratus 2014-07-02 22:20:46
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I've been able to stun Tojil and shark successfuly on RDM without any tp moves going off as long as i was march'd and hasted with my FC Trait+50% FC Gear & 26% Haste gear.
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By Leviathan.Syagin 2014-07-03 10:45:04
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Leviathan.Siratus said: »
I've been able to stun Tojil and shark successfuly on RDM without any tp moves going off as long as i was march'd and hasted with my FC Trait+50% FC Gear & 26% Haste gear.
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By Auralee 2014-07-03 17:09:16
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Quetzalcoatl.Taberifx said: »
50FCGear+30JobTraitFC +26%haste +murg/genbu magicacc
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Did you seriously suggest someone build a Murgleis for RDM stunning?!

I mean, it might technically be the best, but by god, have some sense of effort-reward balance...
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-07-03 17:31:26
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Auralee said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Taberifx said: »
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Did you seriously suggest someone build a Murgleis for RDM stunning?!

I mean, it might technically be the best, but by god, have some sense of effort-reward balance...

Optimal is optimal, I don't think he was suggesting actually building a murgleis for stunning delve.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Taberifx 2014-07-03 18:18:14
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/hides his mythic he built for stun ***.........

N-noo of course not
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By Lakshmi.Amymy 2014-09-24 06:28:48
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Does 16 sec stun timer with haste 2 reach 9 secs with double marches?
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2014-09-24 07:28:06
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Lakshmi.Amymy said: »
Does 16 sec stun timer with haste 2 reach 9 secs with double marches?

2x March is not needed, since haste 2 is giving you 30% magic haste. You only need Victory March with March +3 in gear to hit the 43.75% magic haste cap.


Please post your gear set so we can see what your haste and fast cast values are.
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By Lakshmi.Amymy 2014-09-24 12:32:46
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Oh only one march to hit cap. I don't think I'll reach the 9 secs. I need to get the gende Gage's the artiseq leg to make it 9 sec. Everything else it near optimal.
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