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 Bahamut.Voevode
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By Bahamut.Voevode 2013-07-02 20:06:55
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There seems to be a bit of confusion when it comes to magic accuracy and enfeebling skill when people are looking for RDMs in shouts (for delve bosses mainly).

I.E. /yell Tojil <Do you need it?> RDM 525+ Enfeebling skill <Can I have it?>

It's understandable to want to have a quantifiable means of 'screening' your responses, however, you are limiting the amount of achievable magic accuracy in a set while trying to meet this criteria.

Gear set examples!

ItemSet 306637

527 Enfeebling skill (base 424+16 merit+97 gear)
+38 MND
+52 Magic Accuracy

Which adds up to: 168(~187 if dmnd <10 which it likely won't be) Magic Accuracy in gear (for mnd enfeebles). This is the highest magic accuracy set I could come up with while still meeting the requirement of 525 enfeebling skill.

ItemSet 305550

With level 15 Augments:
489 Enfeebling skill (424+16+49)
+64 MND
+112 Magic Accuracy

Which adds up to: 193 (~225) Magic Accuracy in gear. That's 25 more magic accuracy in a set that has 38 less enfeebling skill than what people want.

Anyway, please know what you're looking for. Gear smart and look for players that gear smart, rather than follow a number that is "required" to them.
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By Carbuncle.Ceruleanknight 2013-07-02 20:34:56
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Thats a very nice post, thx you.
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By Asura.Ivykyori 2013-07-02 20:36:25
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I'm taking it that you were on Asura recently...

If not, then you should know that someone was looking for rdm's with 550+ enfeebling. Several people did math and it's possible to get 538, not taking into account magic accuracy.

But people are cray-cray anyways, hubby got denied at 497 enfeebling. No point in having all that skill if you can't land it. *shrug*
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By Asura.Voevode 2013-07-02 20:37:36
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Yep I am now on Asura, you definitely understand what I am posting about!

Edit: And it looks like 542 is the max obtainable o.o going to keep looking to see if there's more just for knowledge's sake.

ItemSet 306658

Edit: Iaso Bliaut brings it to 548! Almost there!
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By Asura.Hoshiku 2013-07-03 09:26:59
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Yeah your last post has the max enfeebling that you can get. http://myffxigear.kicks-***.org/pimpedout.php is really nice for figuring that out. Also don't feel bad about missing those runs as they were some of the worst delve runs I've seen so far!
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By Ragnarok.Ecaroh 2013-07-03 09:51:45
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So once again elite players pull some numbers out of the air to fit a cookie cut method of defeating NMs. Like SCH for NNI and now Delve only. OMG

One more reason my entire LS QUIT FFXI last night and Im alone fishing FTH of it with nothing better to do in my evenings.

Yes Ragnorok lost about 10-12 accounts last night.

TY SE
AND TY to our elite player base.
Just remember it gets harder and harder to fill those PUGs as people quit.

Enjoy
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Eca
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By Asura.Ivykyori 2013-07-03 09:57:39
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So 548 max not including any magic accuracy gear, which will leave you with ZERO wiggle room, because you effectively only have 3 slots to fit in with magic accuracy.

Since I'm completely challenged in making an item set, I can't show it, but there's the magian staves (depending on the element--also -8 inventory space), Lycopodium Earring (+1), Aureole (+8 and can't equip ammo), and Balrahn's ring (+4).

Not including the staff, that's +13 magic accuracy more that you can put on that item set, making your total +33 magic accuracy. And I reiterate: no point in stacking all that enfeebling when you can't land.
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By Bahamut.Eclipstic 2013-07-03 10:38:50
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i'm a little confused by your comments regarding skill/magic acc, ivy. i was always under the impression that higher skill meant higher acc for enfeebles and magic accuracy was icing on the cake. obviously, the higher combined total, the better
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By Asura.Chexmix 2013-07-03 10:43:01
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Ragnarok.Ecaroh said: »
So once again elite players pull some numbers out of the air to fit a cookie cut method of defeating NMs. Like SCH for NNI and now Delve only. OMG

One more reason my entire LS QUIT FFXI last night and Im alone fishing FTH of it with nothing better to do in my evenings.

Yes Ragnorok lost about 10-12 accounts last night.

TY SE
AND TY to our elite player base.
Just remember it gets harder and harder to fill those PUGs as people quit.

Enjoy
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Eca

Fill a shout with just anyone without screening them and let us know how it works out then, or innovate a new strategy.
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By Lakshmi.Cledant 2013-07-03 10:51:31
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Ragnarok.Ecaroh said: »
So once again elite players pull some numbers out of the air to fit a cookie cut method of defeating NMs. Like SCH for NNI and now Delve only. OMG

One more reason my entire LS QUIT FFXI last night and Im alone fishing FTH of it with nothing better to do in my evenings.

Yes Ragnorok lost about 10-12 accounts last night.

TY SE
AND TY to our elite player base.
Just remember it gets harder and harder to fill those PUGs as people quit.

Enjoy
:(
Eca
It's funny, because it seems the OP doesn't have most of the items mentioned on the sets, but he use omega ring lol. Legion is a very dead content right now, this thread is useless but foolish posts trying to look elitist
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By Bahamut.Zangada 2013-07-03 10:53:49
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Asura.Chexmix said: »
Ragnarok.Ecaroh said: »
So once again elite players pull some numbers out of the air to fit a cookie cut method of defeating NMs. Like SCH for NNI and now Delve only. OMG

One more reason my entire LS QUIT FFXI last night and Im alone fishing FTH of it with nothing better to do in my evenings.

Yes Ragnorok lost about 10-12 accounts last night.

TY SE
AND TY to our elite player base.
Just remember it gets harder and harder to fill those PUGs as people quit.

Enjoy
:(
Eca

Fill a shout with just anyone without screening them and let us know how it works out then, or innovate a new strategy.

Theres a difference between picking anyone and expecting to find ppl with the best gear possible.
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By Asura.Ivykyori 2013-07-03 11:20:25
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I don't mind if folks screen people, but be realistic while doing it. And just because someone has 500+ of a skill doesn't mean that they are automatically a good player.

Bahamut.Eclipstic said: »
i'm a little confused by your comments regarding skill/magic acc, ivy. i was always under the impression that higher skill meant higher acc for enfeebles and magic accuracy was icing on the cake. obviously, the higher combined total, the better

That post is the product of me being still half asleep. But higher skill helps with sticking stuff yes, but in the case of Delve nm's (and mobs), a little extra outside accuracy can help.
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By Asura.Solara 2013-07-03 11:41:56
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Asura.Hoshiku said: »
Yeah your last post has the max enfeebling that you can get. http://myffxigear.kicks-***.org/pimpedout.php is really nice for figuring that out. Also don't feel bad about missing those runs as they were some of the worst delve runs I've seen so far!

Not technically true. Ignoring the fact that whole idea of 550 skill being necessary is nonsense anyway, Kirin's Pole can be augmented with up to 12 Enfeebling Magic skill which brings the posted set to 560 with capped skill and merits.
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By Bahamut.Zangada 2013-07-03 11:45:57
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Asura.Solara said: »
Asura.Hoshiku said: »
Yeah your last post has the max enfeebling that you can get. http://myffxigear.kicks-***.org/pimpedout.php is really nice for figuring that out. Also don't feel bad about missing those runs as they were some of the worst delve runs I've seen so far!

Not technically true. Ignoring the fact that whole idea of 550 skill being necessary is nonsense anyway, Kirin's Pole can be augmented with up to 12 Enfeebling Magic skill which brings the posted set to 560 with capped skill and merits.

Except that RDM cant use kirin pole
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By Asura.Aerox 2013-07-03 11:46:37
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That 550 enfeeb shout was one of the most ridiculous SoA shouts i've seen to date.... No understanding of a job just "max 1 stat must be best" >_>
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By Asura.Solara 2013-07-03 12:26:03
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Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Asura.Solara said: »
Asura.Hoshiku said: »
Yeah your last post has the max enfeebling that you can get. http://myffxigear.kicks-***.org/pimpedout.php is really nice for figuring that out. Also don't feel bad about missing those runs as they were some of the worst delve runs I've seen so far!

Not technically true. Ignoring the fact that whole idea of 550 skill being necessary is nonsense anyway, Kirin's Pole can be augmented with up to 12 Enfeebling Magic skill which brings the posted set to 560 with capped skill and merits.

Except that RDM cant use kirin pole

That's actually pretty disappointing, my mule has one and I was hoping to augment it for trolling purposes. :(
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2013-07-03 12:29:03
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Ragnarok.Ecaroh said: »
So once again elite players pull some numbers out of the air to fit a cookie cut method of defeating NMs. Like SCH for NNI and now Delve only. OMG

One more reason my entire LS QUIT FFXI last night and Im alone fishing FTH of it with nothing better to do in my evenings.

Yes Ragnorok lost about 10-12 accounts last night.

TY SE
AND TY to our elite player base.
Just remember it gets harder and harder to fill those PUGs as people quit.

Enjoy
:(
Eca

Yeah then you stick it to SE by taking your money to FFXIV!!!! That will show em.
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By Quiznor 2013-07-03 12:30:00
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Leviathan.Draylo said: »
Ragnarok.Ecaroh said: »
So once again elite players pull some numbers out of the air to fit a cookie cut method of defeating NMs. Like SCH for NNI and now Delve only. OMG

One more reason my entire LS QUIT FFXI last night and Im alone fishing FTH of it with nothing better to do in my evenings.

Yes Ragnorok lost about 10-12 accounts last night.

TY SE
AND TY to our elite player base.
Just remember it gets harder and harder to fill those PUGs as people quit.

Enjoy
:(
Eca

Yeah then you stick it to SE by taking your money to FFXIV!!!! That will show em.

Unless he said the 10-12 people are gonna be playing XIV fulltime in a different thread.....

Try harder

I love how quitting XI automatically means you're going to fulltime XIV lol
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By Latifah 2013-07-03 12:33:57
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Leviathan.Draylo said: »
Ragnarok.Ecaroh said: »
So once again elite players pull some numbers out of the air to fit a cookie cut method of defeating NMs. Like SCH for NNI and now Delve only. OMG

One more reason my entire LS QUIT FFXI last night and Im alone fishing FTH of it with nothing better to do in my evenings.

Yes Ragnorok lost about 10-12 accounts last night.

TY SE
AND TY to our elite player base.
Just remember it gets harder and harder to fill those PUGs as people quit.

Enjoy
:(
Eca

Yeah then you stick it to SE by taking your money to FFXIV!!!! That will show em.

whatever

and btw Amber is more fab than Regina
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By Caitsith.Shiroi 2013-07-03 12:36:42
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Ragnarok.Ecaroh said: »

Why didn't your LS just start their own pickup groups ...?
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By Siren.Knivesz 2013-07-03 12:58:01
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Quiznor said: »
Leviathan.Draylo said: »
Ragnarok.Ecaroh said: »
So once again elite players pull some numbers out of the air to fit a cookie cut method of defeating NMs. Like SCH for NNI and now Delve only. OMG

One more reason my entire LS QUIT FFXI last night and Im alone fishing FTH of it with nothing better to do in my evenings.

Yes Ragnorok lost about 10-12 accounts last night.

TY SE
AND TY to our elite player base.
Just remember it gets harder and harder to fill those PUGs as people quit.

Enjoy
:(
Eca

Yeah then you stick it to SE by taking your money to FFXIV!!!! That will show em.

Unless he said the 10-12 people are gonna be playing XIV fulltime in a different thread.....

Try harder

I love how quitting XI automatically means you're going to fulltime XIV lol

Yeah was wondering wtf he was talking about as Ecaroh never even mentioned 14 (hell he even admits to still playing since he still fishes). Maybe he did somewhere and just edited/deleted it out. Or maybe its just a conditioned response at this point whenever anyone mentions quitting 11 lol.
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By Ragnarok.Bepe 2013-07-03 13:39:59
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You can't have more than 1 of each bokwus piece right? Augmenting the bokwus legs and feet (especially the legs) with magic acc instead of MAB seems like such a waste to me. No offense to anyone, but I guess that is just how I see it because my first main was blm :P My SCH nuking set would beat me to a pulp if I went magic acc on that :P That is why I think not using bokwus legs and using portent to mystogag instead is better for my uses. But this is a rdm thread, let me stop derailing it <.<
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By Asura.Hoshiku 2013-07-03 13:50:19
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I'm secretly hoping that they let you augment them further into pieces with different names at some later point (like the did with ToM) because yeah, my THF is qqing at my rng manibozho legs and I'm quite torn on the bokwus gear too.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-07-03 14:21:13
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As far as the MACC on bokwus, there are quite a few options for legs but not so much feet. I doubt either piece would lock you out of landing an enfeeble regardless of the rest of your gear if you chose to go the MAB path.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wakmidget 2013-07-03 14:29:14
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Asura.Hoshiku said: »
I'm secretly hoping that they let you augment them further into pieces with different names at some later point (like the did with ToM) because yeah, my THF is qqing at my rng manibozho legs and I'm quite torn on the bokwus gear too.

Should have just made a Yoichinoyumi, than you could have done Attack path and been good for both. XD
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By Asura.Hoshiku 2013-07-03 14:29:58
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T.T my anni is q.qing at you
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By Bismarck.Helel 2013-07-03 15:09:10
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STR manibozho legs work fine for coronach. It's what I use.
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By Asura.Voevode 2013-07-03 17:34:11
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Lakshmi.Cledant said: »
Ragnarok.Ecaroh said: »
So once again elite players pull some numbers out of the air to fit a cookie cut method of defeating NMs. Like SCH for NNI and now Delve only. OMG

One more reason my entire LS QUIT FFXI last night and Im alone fishing FTH of it with nothing better to do in my evenings.

Yes Ragnorok lost about 10-12 accounts last night.

TY SE
AND TY to our elite player base.
Just remember it gets harder and harder to fill those PUGs as people quit.

Enjoy
:(
Eca
It's funny, because it seems the OP doesn't have most of the items mentioned on the sets, but he use omega ring lol. Legion is a very dead content right now, this thread is useless but foolish posts trying to look elitist

I can see how it's ridiculous to know what the ideal set is in order to gear it. Omega Ring is 4.5 macc, being one of the highest macc rings, behind maquette and sangoma. Other than that, Duelist's Chapeau +2 is only 1 less macc than the piece in the above set.

My current rdm set:

ItemSet 306783


I can see how I'm missing 'most' of the pieces.

(Besides the not being to find an aureole or maquette ring, and Umaghrk is stingy :P)


Bahamut.Eclipstic said: »
i'm a little confused by your comments regarding skill/magic acc, ivy. i was always under the impression that higher skill meant higher acc for enfeebles and magic accuracy was icing on the cake. obviously, the higher combined total, the better

1 Enfeebling Skill is equal to 1 Magic Accuracy.
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By Asura.Karbuncle 2013-07-04 11:10:36
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Have there been any tests to show 1 Skill = 1 Macc, or could it be like Physical Skills where after a certain point its something like 1 Skill = 0.8?
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By Asura.Aerox 2013-07-04 11:40:45
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Asura.Karbuncle said: »
Have there been any tests to show 1 Skill = 1 Macc, or could it be like Physical Skills where after a certain point its something like 1 Skill = 0.8?

http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Magic_accuracy

There seems to be some testing in the related links below.
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