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Elemental Staves and Equipment Scaling
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By Asura.Celene 2009-07-05 15:55:14
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Not too long ago, I was doing a level capped event, and every BLM was wearing a staff aside from myself. I was always led to believe that mostly raw stats (MND, STR, AGI etc) and a few other things like ATT and ACC scaled. It seems that SE has changed somethings about the way equipment is scaled since release, so I am really not sure anymore.

Do these staves actually scale or no? I keep hearing mixed feelings.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-07-05 16:01:14
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Are you sure it isnt they have nothing better to wear?
you know how like everyone wheres AF in dunes and stuff
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-07-05 16:02:45
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I'm pretty sure the hidden effects don't scale down. I'll check in a bit if nobody knows for sure.
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By Fenrir.Shindo 2009-07-05 16:05:59
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SE was incredibly lazy when they implemented the scaling down. If they don't specifically state it isn't affected, the effect is either nullified or reduced to 1 even if it's just 1 level below the cap. At least that's the way it seems to me
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By Fairy.Xxnumbertwoxx 2009-07-05 16:07:26
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I know that the dark staff +10 hMP doesn't scale, even at 50 (at least, I didn't notice it...maybe I'm wrong, or I was just pissy because of it LOL)
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-07-05 16:11:53
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why would anyone wear level 51 staves at lower level?

Are these the same idiots who wear AF in teh doonz?!
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By Fairy.Xxnumbertwoxx 2009-07-05 16:17:17
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Kungfuhustle said:
why would anyone wear level 51 staves at lower level?

Are these the same idiots who wear AF in teh doonz?!


I did once or twice cuz syncee was halfway to 51...
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By Asura.Celene 2009-07-05 16:22:05
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Believe it or not, a lot of people believe staves scale down.

And just throwing it out there, Wiki now claims hMP scales #2, it didn't always before.

That's why I am a bit confused. :x I mean, now MACC is suppose to scale, and staves give MACC bonus.

*hugs onto her club collection*
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By Fairy.Xxnumbertwoxx 2009-07-05 16:27:55
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Celene said:
And just throwing it out there, Wiki now claims hMP scales #2, it didn't always before.


Huh...

*runs to the wiki*
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By Asura.Celene 2009-07-05 16:31:29
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Rofl. No one seems to know either. ; ;
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By Sylph.Hitetsu 2009-07-05 17:38:01
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SE added a few things to an update for the Level Sync system.

hMP, hHP, Enmity and Evasion(?) I think.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-07-05 17:58:47
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When scaling down heres a good rule of thumb You can ALWAYS get something better at that lvl for any stat. So while a lvl 70ish cap might only lose 1 int going to 60 a similar lvl leg peice might lose more like 6...
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By Garuda.Antipika 2009-07-05 18:50:17
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Dasva said:
When scaling down heres a good rule of thumb You can ALWAYS get something better at that lvl for any stat. So while a lvl 70ish cap might only lose 1 int going to 60 a similar lvl leg peice might lose more like 6...


Well nvm checked prope, it's a tie INT wise.
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By Gilgamesh.Kunimitsu 2009-07-06 04:02:00
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Last i checked when syncing down to duo blm with a friend, staves did not scale, +hmp did. This was a while ago maybe 2 months or more though. I rememebr SE saying they are still working on adding stats to levelsync gear, s maybe they have added it.

Either way its very easy to test. sync to 50 cast blizzad with no weapon. then cast again with the staff see if you get 10-15% increase
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By Kujata.Argettio 2009-07-06 04:27:03
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To my understanding, gear is synced to reflect gear available at the level you are syncing to. So swift belt @lvl20 isn't going to give any haste as there is no haste belts @lvl20

When I am capped (BCNM40 OU) I use my Aquillo's Staff. The 5 INT gets scaled down to 2-3 (I forget the exact number).

Which isn't that good when compared to the 5 you can get from clubs at that level. But it is good enough to land bind and gravity on the eyes.

I am sure the hidden affects don't scale (or landing gravity with an ice staff would be harder). As for hMP, I didnt think it scaled, but if it does then that's cool (but due to the lack of much hMP before pluto's staff it will scale to ~1-2).
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By Sylph.Hitetsu 2009-07-06 05:00:38
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Some stats, such as Haste, are completely ignored. Even using a Swift Belt at 45, when Quick Belt is available would result in +0% Haste.

The only stats effected by Level Sync are,

Damage / Defense / HP / MP / Status (Strength, Dexterity, etc.) / Accuracy / Attack / Ranged Accuracy / Ranged Attack / Magic Accuracy / Magic Attack / Evasion / Enmity / Healing HP / Healing MP

Some were added via an update, Evasion, Enmity, hHP, hMP. I can't remember if MAcc and MAtt were.
Equipment Scaling "details"
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By Kujata.Argettio 2009-07-06 06:24:46
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Hitetsu said:
Some stats, such as Haste, are completely ignored. Even using a Swift Belt at 45, when Quick Belt is available would result in +0% Haste.


ok swift belt was a bad example. but the point still remains.

If you sync to a level where X stat isn't avaiable (INT on body piece before lvl 20 for example) then your high level INT body piece will be scaled to nothing.
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By Bahamut.Nightcrew 2009-07-06 07:14:43
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i wish gear would scale down to what is available for that lvl... like Fuma Sune-Ate would keep Haste since there is a Foot piece that has the same amount of Haste at lower lvl... i know that might sound stupid but in my head it makes sense. that might take a bit more work on the Devs side but w/e, just an idea, lol
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-07-06 07:24:30
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-No, staves do not sync down.
-No, no hidden effects ever sync down.
-No, you can not always get a better piece of gear at LV50 than you can by syncing a LV75 piece down. (Osode gives +10 MP and +2 to all attributes at 50, if I remember correctly. Beats the hell out of anything you can wear for any job (Remember the leet Brigandine you'd wear until 55 with +2 DEX and +2 VIT? Yeah...))
-Currently adjusted stats are:
Damage/Defense/HP/MP/Attributes/Accuracy/Attack/Ranged Accuracy/Ranged Attack/Magic Accuracy/Magic Attack/Enmity/Evasion/Healing HP/Healing MP
This does not include hidden effects, such as those from Elemental Staves. As such, the best staff to use for Level Sync on BLM would be, of course, Ice Staff, no matter what you're casting.
-The formula for Level Sync is as follows.
sync_stat = (equip_stat*X)*equip_level/level_sync_level

X = 3/4 for DMG/DEF
1/2 for HP/MP
1/3 for anything else

(Seems to work for me for almost every piece of gear, but could be off a bit)
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By Seraph.Kyaaadaa 2009-07-06 07:29:50
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Enternius said:
leet Brigandine

*snicker*
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-07-06 07:38:52
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Kyaaadaa said:
*snicker*

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By Seraph.Kyaaadaa 2009-07-06 07:41:58
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oh wow, lmao
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