So I Herd BLU/THF Was Gewd?

Again /thf and SA = spell wont miss so even with the crap acc from using a staff the spell would still land.

Ok, yeah, that would make sense with SATA.

I'd prefer to dual wield considering that you're going to more than likely expend your mp pretty fast spamming spells if you're zerging it or are fighting one like my pt did that gains invincible when you ws it. I wasn't just spamming spells, I was also smacking it around and sharing hate. Fortunately we had a damn good PLD and some awesome healers. The Chapuli NM T2 likes to spam silence tp moves, which would have sucked if our healer wasn't Johnny on the spot with silenca. Alanna is on my list of WHM that I trust. It's a short list.

i see i thought the crit damage would edge out vs double swords I'll see what I get tonight.

a side perk of double swords is being able to tp off of mobs for your next sata spell too also

If you can tp at all, I would definitely give the advantage to swords. Chatoyant + brave grip is actually closer than I thought to shamshirX2 (STR or AGI) for SA benthic under the assumption you can use the dual wield setting points for more STR/AGI. Again, it is really only viable if you don't have the ability to tp with your swords at all between CAs. Working on putting together an optimal set for both real quickly.

depending on spell you have these for options

almace/sanus ensis

or

str shikargar/sanus

or

almace/ dex shikargar

or

eva shikargar x 2

Under some usual assumptions:

SA Benthic:
ItemSet 299792
Shikargar x2: AGI

SA Vanity:
ItemSet 299793
Almace (99)
Shikargar: DEX

Should both be near optimal assuming I'm not forgetting any obvious adjustments.

It is worth putting af3+2 hat in when using Chain Affinity so don't forget that.

I'm getting Athos pants are very close to but below Mavi Tayt+2 when not using efflux.

Shouldn't t

Wouldn't thaumas legs + feet be an upgrade under SA?

EDIT: Or thurandaut legs instead.

thur hands should be better

and does athos hands beat both options(thur and myrm) when CA is up?

I think Athos boots would win on Vanity as well when using CA. For non-CA, they're pretty close and mostly depend on WSC rounding. Kubira bead necklace is another option if you don't have a Moepapa Medal and should be a little better during non-CA.

BLU spells work really well on the Chapuli NM. I was shocked to be landing heavy strike so often on it.
You also have the advantage of dealing solid damage, without triggering meditations ^^. Probs a pretty quick fight with a party of blu's spamming spells/skillchaining and a bard for ballads as the main damage dealers on that one.

imperfect SA b. typhoon set


~1k on orobon in foret

still checking my average but 1.7k on t2 raptor in morimar

need a lot more for a consistent average but just to give people an idea for who has sets are ok but not perfect.

I used to use /thf all the time back in the day. I Always used vanity as well as benthic. I remember making a few threads about them both. I always found it to be fun. I remember busting out a 9k vanity on sobek once. I like vanity since its basically dex and almost all blu gear has dex as well as a lot of spells. When you guys do your benthic are you setting your normal spells or are you putting in a ton of agi spells? I'll have to try some benthics tonight. Tourbillion is fun as well. I was doing a few tourbillions on uptala last night with my vanity set, and hit a 2800 on him.

I'm pretty confused or just in disbelieve. So...Blu/Thf is best for delve atm for blu? Does it do well in comparisons to other DDs? Really interested as blu is my main, but my server seems to never shout for blu in delve.

Careful if fighting the moth with BT best to use vanity and if aoe is crazy old school cannonball fun. Blu/thf should hold up well in any fight where the other melee can't hit and are going /thf. In abyseea /thf can produce jaw dropping numbers and one shot many mobs for fun.

yeah i used /thf for a lot of time in aby... mainly using BT to close dark on aby i did 6 to 9k dmg....

on t2 i do arround 2.8k with CA and spikes of 3.8k with CAEF.

i havent tryed vanity since a long time...

Before everyone goes out attempting to deck their BLU/THF to the hilt, I think it is significant to note that the overwhelming majority of reports being posted about people using BLU/THF's consist of alliances wiping, maxing out the fight timer, or people attempting to chip away at raged mobs for hours.

That being said, it is pretty clear that this may not be the ideal job/build to strive for. As most people know, all of these mobs have their own individual gimmick -- as we know, the Chapuli's evasion seems to increase drastically as more people weapon skill the mob. Any properly buffed DD (although I imagine monk would do it best) will be able to use auto-attacks alone to outparse someone using a SATA blue mage spell every 60 seconds.

Keep this in mind when attempting to kill these mobs, and realize that every mob has a particular weakness which is meant to allow us to kill the mob long before it rages.

it's good if you don't have proper buffs or you plan on raging the nm, otherwise dealing with nms gimmick and using proper dd will be more efficient

a blu/thf with DWIII DA and TR can still land very good dmg on auto atacks... plus SATA every 60 secs... of course its not a MNK... but its good to have 1 or 2 in your alli

Not bad at all plus can turn a defeat into a win why not have a ace in the hole. Plus that can be hate free damage if done right hehehe. Once we gear up with the new weapons and gear it will be back to business as usual but until then have fun with the spike numbers lol.

Once you factor in the 50% ODD of empyreans, or the OATwice/Thrice of mythics, or the shear base damage of the new weapons, I really don't think a dual wielding blue mage is going to even come close.

You shouldn't be wasting a spot on paladins in the first place if you are killing these mobs outside (for the Ceizak Battlegrounds mobs at least), so hate-free doesn't mean much.

Could have lost to the moth when its eva floored our acc but won easily with /thf ODD and crap means *** if you can't hit....

It's viable for now, once we get more peeps in the new gear it won't but for now what ever works.

Double madrigals, sushi, accuracy gear, hunter's roll, and then your accuracy will be at least between 85% to capped. Speaking from experience -- it works, and it works well.

You shouldn't just throw away the proposition of melee damage so quickly just because you personally have terrible accuracy.

Didn't for us and was just easier to /thf case in point after rage and still won so really not an issue at all key is the win. Now easy to farm inside however you like. Not everyone has the benefit of a bard and cor great if you do but not everyone is so lucky so we make it work best we can...

I understand that.

My entire point is attempting to describe what appears to be the ideal setup at this time so people know what to work towards, as opposed to other strategies, which I feel are being misconstrued as something worth striving for, as opposed to simply being something that is "making it work best we can".

Well we took a bunch of Blu/thf to T1 foret it was over 50k......
Damage from the sa spam went insane talk about easy win it wasn't funny....

Could you post your gear set for BT?
Unless this isn't you sorry.

^This. And christ......

I only hit like 35k lol should have built tp lol. My gear nothing fancy


55k

Randomly takes more dmg at some points right?

Surely this is the case, else I see an emergency maintenance in our near future...