What To 99 First, Apoc Or Rag?

5 marrows, 2 relics, both 95. what to do?

Apoc.

Since you use Ragnarok mainly for Resolution have it 99 won't change much things (of course it doesn't hurt), so apoc first.

So, what's the reason for Apoc then? No real-situation utility and less overall damage? Ok lol.

Are you kidding? Ragnarok is great at 95 already but you don't *** use its ws why not making apoc to 99 first which has a 40% bonus dmg on cata?

serj your is *** dumb. @75 apoc was best weapon and good for many things. you need 2 consider people have weapons they like and that is ok to do 99.

Basically what Detzu said Kuk. If you upgrade Rag first the only thing you're getting is more base dmg and a little higher crit hit. +15% more cata dmg boost will be very very nice.

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but did you ever consider the feelings of the others?

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Serj do you write Novels?

clearly he does. lol

It used to be frustrating. Then sad. Now it's just plain funny. Every time Mr. Kuka ili Moku tries to fuel inquisitions, like clockwork, his factotums defend that sort of irritating, illogical behavior. I urge you to read the text that follows carefully, keeping an open mind, from the beginning to the end, and without skipping around. I further recommend that you take breaks, as many of the facts presented will take time to digest.

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Would not be opposed to a thread for this.

Nice fairy tale.....

http://www.pakin.org/complaint

Apoc = very situational niche weapon you probably wouldn't use terribly often. Rag = Reso spamming powerhouse. How is this a serious question?

Serj you need some help.

i have 99 rag was no huge dmg increase from 95 to 99 but ls members with 95 apoc ungraded and went from 3-3.5k catas to 5-6k catas so a definate noticeable dmg increase

the serious question is, if you had to choose one, which would it be?

15% damage increase doesn't double damage.




Why? Scott Palkin is a cool thing.

clearly you didn't read my response lol

Hevans you're argument is invalid.

that made me LOL. lol

tl;dr

How to answer this question:
Do you ever use your Apoc?
If not, do you WANT to use your Apoc?

Any of these yes, Apoc first.
Otherwise, Rag first.

tl;dr (yes i read the whole gd thing)

heavans must be stopped at all costs or the world will cease to exist as we know it. serj tried with all his powers and might but was unable to so it is now up to us.

as for the question at hand i like rag just because i play drk an war. dunno if thats a good reason, but eh

Sec, actually you're telling us you rarely play drk don't you?

I don't see how 99ing an Apoc would make me want to use it over Rag any more than if I left it at 95 other than to not look dumb for using marrows and then not using the weapon i used them on D:

I like my Rag not just because of Reso but because of the melee dmg it outputs and i'd like that even more with the extra 10dmg it gets at 99 ;o

It's a serious question cause he has both weapons, and the real question beyond your narcissism : Will 99 rag change much things over 95 so is it worth to have it 99 when @ 99 cata has 40% dmg bonus.

What's the increase on overall dmg when you go from 95 rag to 99?