Mandau Twashtar Etc.

Mandau/Thokcha
vs
Mandau/Aluh Jambiya
vs
Twashtar/Coruscanti (assuming that 35DEX gives you 10% crit rate on top of 5% from coruscanti - during TP)
vs
Mandau/Twashtar (assuming 20DEX wont give you more than 2% crit rate - during TP)

Any opinions?

Mandau is definitely the better mainhand. Offhand 99 twash would most likely be the best offhand, thokcha almost always beats aluh for thf as an offhand.

They're about the same.

Mandau's better for stronger mobs and Twashtar's better for weaker mobs. Rudra is stronger than Mercy, but you have to offhand the tp bonus dagger. With my gear sets, you have 4409 vs 4426, Mercy and Rudra respectively.

Mandau
-when you gear for Mercy, you gear str, so you potentially have an fStr advantage, and an attack advantage(both from the extra str and the dagger).
-use whatever offhand you want.
-5% crit rate aftermath

Twashtar
-assuming tp bonus dagger, you get a slightly stronger WS, though spillover tp makes it a definitively stronger WS when fStr/atk is already capped
-ODD aftermath procs on additional hits

Not having athos body is a ginormous blow to Twashtar though, so that needs to be kept in mind as well.

Would also like to mention, last time i asked on BG (Back when Aluh first came out), that the difference between STR Thok, and Aluh, was only about 1% Damage in favor of Thok. (dunno what situation/etc... its in the BG What's better thread somewhere, I believe Byrth did the math)

So if you don't have a Flame thok, or are too lazy, Its a very close alternative, So don't feel gimp for settling on it.

Honestly I would say Mandau is a better weapon. It has really strong poison on effect, virtually a constant aftermath & just as easy to gear for when compared to Rudra's Storm. Everyone did make some good posts by the way. Most noteably the Athos's tabard & TP +100 magian dagger being a key component for Rudra's. Also I would never suggest offhanding Twashtar 99 while mainhanding Mandau. Only because it would be a waste of heavy metal plates and riftdross/cinders. But if you want to know what I am using its twashtar/tp 100 magian and once my mandau is complete mandau/str thokcha.

TP bonus dagger wat?
Is that really worth it beyond AE farming? >_>

Edit: And epeen shots I suppose.

Twashtar:

In my experiences, i have observed a greater effect in offhanding the tp bonus dagger because the amount that it boosts the ws appears to be much greater than the boost in melee dmg from a str/attk dagger.

melee dot seems to rely more on how often you crit and xhit rather than the str./attk you have. so it seems to me that using an offhand for the purpose of increasing dot should focus on crit/xhit.

Therefore, i have gone with the option to use my offhand to increase my ws dmg.

I know there are many out there who are believers in "the math" that has been worked out by very intelligent/persistent individuals. I am not a believer and i think there is more than one way to get the job done.

in conclusion, you should really go with what seems to work best for you, but it is a good idea to try out all suggestions in forum first. again, i'm speaking for myself and not promoting my choices as law.

it worries me when people say things like "is definitely better" or "best option" because sure, gearing towards a certain stat. like attk or str. can work out when your hits randomly proc. on the high end of the scale, but then again, when the majority of your hits randomly proc. at the low end, you'll wish you geared more towards your ws.

i don't think there is one answer to this question.

Fortunately, math isn't based on feelings.

what is the "math" of melee dot?

More avarage damage = better.

average damage is only an average way of assessing what is better.

Averages are all that matter

sounds like solid math to me...

What's better:
Dealing more dmg over time.

Or

Dealing more dmg once every 20 seconds for epeen.

I'm not saying TP bonus is BAD because I honestly don't know for sure.
But I highly doubt it's better than str\atk dagger even for twatmasher.

If you understand what an average is and how basic mathematics work then yes, yes it is.

Let me break it down in the simplest way possible.

You have two rocks.

One rock will skip 5 times on average, and go up to 7.

The second rock will skip 3 times, and go up to 9.

The contest is based on who can get the most skips over time.

Hint: the rock that goes 5 on average wins.

averages change, it is math, but it is not the basis for defining a best item. would you stake your life on the fact that your weapon combo will always have a higher avg than my combo? i sure wouldn't because it is always different.

I giggled more than I should have.

Are you saying that averages aren't averages? Oh boy.

Wait, what did I just read

Still processing it myself

<Giver-Of-Will> confused\\displaced.

Didn't realize an average randomly stopped being an average because people "feel" like it does

Science

Guys please, think of the playstyle!

Alright Ato here's my suggestion, wear Heart Snatcher because it's the prettiest.

You need to find a better example, because that dagger is fugly as ***.

All daggers are fugly as ***though ;;

Rapidus sax is really pretty.

all i'm trying to say is that you cannot rely on one average taken at one time to define what is best. the next time you take the average, it could be diff.

Fine let's go with that




You evidently have absolutely no idea what an average is. Please stop posting now and go google it, it's too early for my brain to want to explode and save itself the torture of this sort of thing.

Brd mythic dagger is nice!