Thief's Knife
Thief's Knife
I'm not sure if this was ever talked about, but do you think SE would ever consider added a quest to the Thief's Knife? They could could even keep the +1 TH, but just add a quest that would increase the damage output of the dagger. Or is it well known that all you have to do is proc TH then can unequip all TH gears? I dunno it was just a thought. Being 99 and having an off hand lvl 70 dagger with crap base damage, I just thought it would be cool if they had a quest to better that knife.
No. Just stop using the dagger entirely and switch to a decent offhand UNLESS you are only there for TH. You do not even need to "proc" a th upgrade to stick TH on a mob. TH has severely diminishing returns and you are only gimping yourself by using the knife.
AFAIK, it's well known that initial aggro determines which level TH will begin at. After that, ditch all the gear which enhances it and focus on damage.
Comparatively, I've had people argue that TH gear will increase the rate at which it procs. Either they've done a lot of rigorous testing or they're talking out of their ***. I go with the latter.
Kirana has a good point of ditching the dagger altogether. I've read kill speed alone, solo in Dynamis, will net more currency than a complete TH set with the dagger.
Comparatively, I've had people argue that TH gear will increase the rate at which it procs. Either they've done a lot of rigorous testing or they're talking out of their ***. I go with the latter.
Kirana has a good point of ditching the dagger altogether. I've read kill speed alone, solo in Dynamis, will net more currency than a complete TH set with the dagger.
Quetzalcoatl.Scwall said: »
AFAIK, it's well known that initial aggro determines which level TH will begin at. After that, ditch all the gear which enhances it and focus on damage.
Comparatively, I've had people argue that TH gear will increase the rate at which it procs. Either they've done a lot of rigorous testing or they're talking out of their ***. I go with the latter.
Kirana has a good point of ditching the dagger altogether. I've read kill speed alone, solo in Dynamis, will net more currency than a complete TH set with the dagger.
Comparatively, I've had people argue that TH gear will increase the rate at which it procs. Either they've done a lot of rigorous testing or they're talking out of their ***. I go with the latter.
Kirana has a good point of ditching the dagger altogether. I've read kill speed alone, solo in Dynamis, will net more currency than a complete TH set with the dagger.
This annoys me so much and I swear it's only quetz. I agree with the ditching as well except where you want the initial TH and are trying to stack it up afterwards
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Quetzalcoatl.Scwall said: »
AFAIK, it's well known that initial aggro determines which level TH will begin at. After that, ditch all the gear which enhances it and focus on damage.
id like too say this is wrong. its quite easy too test. if you have all th gear on for initial hit(not proc) then take it all off, when you see th proc it will not be th8
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Refer to my avatar.
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The only time TH will reset is after a mob has become idle.
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does all community really think that all th gear on on first hit means your procs will start at 8 ?... should i buy fraps too show how it doesnt work
in all my testing of it; if you initial hit with th gear then take it off; when it procs it'l be at like 5.. noone else has seriously seen this?
Kooljack said: »
does all community really think that all th gear on on first hit means your procs will start at 8 ?... should i buy fraps too show how it doesnt work
I have done it hundreds of times. Had TH gear on, used boomerang to pull, switched out and hit. First proc was TH8. This has been done many, many times, and not just with me.
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I was beginning to think I needed to login and check it out to be sure. Dodged a bullet there.
Yeah, I just deactivated and didn't want to spend another $13 to prove a point. Thank you people.
Edit - And to make this post useful, like others have said, if you're in dyna solo don't bother using thief's knife. I'm sure STR thokcha or oynos or whatever else you might choose would win out in coin count.
Edit - And to make this post useful, like others have said, if you're in dyna solo don't bother using thief's knife. I'm sure STR thokcha or oynos or whatever else you might choose would win out in coin count.
Kooljack said: »
in all my testing of it; if you initial hit with th gear then take it off; when it procs it'l be at like 5.. noone else has seriously seen this?
Should probably delete this post cause it's wrong in all kinds of ways
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He probably has +1 af3 feet and nq af2 hands
Sylph.Washburn said: »
He probably has +1 af3 feet and nq af2 hands
My mistake I didn't think about that and take back what I said :(
who cares? THF is for TH
other real DD will pick up your slack
other real DD will pick up your slack
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No offense to Kooljack for not knowing.
But if I was wrong about TH, I'd be pretty embarrassedwasting all that time camping rogberry ...finding the unofficial origin of the word "dorp"
But if I was wrong about TH, I'd be pretty embarrassed
Quetzalcoatl.Sithel said: »
I'm not sure if this was ever talked about, but do you think SE would ever consider added a quest to the Thief's Knife? They could could even keep the +1 TH, but just add a quest that would increase the damage output of the dagger.
Only point where i would equip a Quest-enhanced TH Knife would be.. if they add like hmm lets see..
> 11 Str
> and maybe hmm 22 Attack
> and oh not to forget like 20 Base DMG
and make it an Magian Trial where you just need to use your lv99 Magian Weapon and trade a TH knife to the box next to the moogle and be done lol :)
Quetzalcoatl.Scwall said: »
The only time TH will reset is after a mob has become idle.
And ADL after it splits :<
Kooljack said: »
does all community really think that all th gear on on first hit means your procs will start at 8 ?... should i buy fraps too show how it doesnt work
Yes, I would LOVE you to buy fraps and prove us all wrong
Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
who cares? THF is for TH
other real DD will pick up your slack
other real DD will pick up your slack
<--- Max TH thf, the only reason I play the job is to proc TH not be ultimate DD...Hate'n is bad M-kay!
Kooljack said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Scwall said: »
AFAIK, it's well known that initial aggro determines which level TH will begin at. After that, ditch all the gear which enhances it and focus on damage.
id like too say this is wrong. its quite easy too test. if you have all th gear on for initial hit(not proc) then take it all off, when you see th proc it will not be th8
Very easy to test:
Pull Macro
/equip Assassin's Armlets +2
/equip Raiders Poulaines +2
/ra <t> <wait 4>
/equip Raider's Armlets +2
/equip Assassin's Poulaines +2
Engage mob
1st Proc- Th8
Yup, your wrong.
Cerberus.Mindi said: »
Only point where i would equip a Quest-enhanced TH Knife would be.. if they add like hmm lets see..
> 11 Str
> and maybe hmm 22 Attack
> and oh not to forget like 20 Base DMG
and make it an Magian Trial where you just need to use your lv99 Magian Weapon and trade a TH knife to the box next to the moogle and be done lol :)
> 11 Str
> and maybe hmm 22 Attack
> and oh not to forget like 20 Base DMG
and make it an Magian Trial where you just need to use your lv99 Magian Weapon and trade a TH knife to the box next to the moogle and be done lol :)
This, and then I would get another Thief's Knife and still swap out for the first hit (starting with TH Placebo level 8).
(Unless they made the new knife with the same name as the old one so you couldn't have two in your inventory.)
I'd like to see a quest where after you hit lv 99 on THF you can then go and get your Thief's Knife augmented with additional base DMG and stats.
This method would let low lv thief's still use the dagger w/o being able to take advantage of the higher lv stats on it. It would also not force the dev's to introduce a new Thieves Knife and would maintain the awesome sense of balance we've all come to know and love.
This method would let low lv thief's still use the dagger w/o being able to take advantage of the higher lv stats on it. It would also not force the dev's to introduce a new Thieves Knife and would maintain the awesome sense of balance we've all come to know and love.
Shiva.Steo said: »
Kooljack said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Scwall said: »
AFAIK, it's well known that initial aggro determines which level TH will begin at. After that, ditch all the gear which enhances it and focus on damage.
id like too say this is wrong. its quite easy too test. if you have all th gear on for initial hit(not proc) then take it all off, when you see th proc it will not be th8
Very easy to test:
Pull Macro
/equip Assassin's Armlets +2
/equip Raiders Poulaines +2
/ra <t> <wait 4>
/equip Raider's Armlets +2
/equip Assassin's Poulaines +2
Engage mob
1st Proc- Th8
Yup, your wrong.
It doesn't matter if your ranged attack misses; your initial level of TH will be set no matter what you do to the target.
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
It doesn't matter if your ranged attack misses; your initial level of TH will be set no matter what you do to the target.
All sorts of actions that would claim the mob, initialize the TH level.
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