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 Fenrir.Reece
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By Fenrir.Reece 2012-05-13 14:53:27
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Which one is better for inside Abyssea, and why?

I have a lot of people telling me the %7 DW is better than the Haste on the Iga legs, but I'm not too clued up on this.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-13 14:55:36
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Koga +2.
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-05-13 15:19:10
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You're not too clued up on multiplication and division? o.O
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By Odin.Arkista 2012-05-13 15:20:27
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Koga+2 is great I just got them yesterday and they are pimp and the +12 eva is nice.
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2012-05-13 15:22:36
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This is what, the 4th thread asking this question in 2 days? Koga+2 with 21% haste is better than iga+2 with 25% haste. Perfect Byakkos are better in some situations, assuming you do not have thaumas body.
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2012-05-13 15:24:45
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I wonder why the NIN forums are so popular when ninja is one of the worst jobs in the game outside abyssea.
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By Asura.Dajociont 2012-05-13 15:24:50
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hey, repetition is fun ok
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By Ragnarok.Chronosphere 2012-05-13 15:28:36
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Sylph.Kiaru said: »
I wonder why the NIN forums are so popular when ninja is one of the worst jobs in the game outside abyssea.

god go away already
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2012-05-13 15:29:58
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Sylph.Kiaru said: »
I wonder why the NIN forums are so popular when ninja is one of the worst jobs in the game outside abyssea.
To be fair, this game as a whole is pretty terrible. Anyone who can honestly look at this game and attempt to defend it for the quality gameplay it brings is in denial.
Also Koga+2 for the millionth time.
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2012-05-13 15:31:27
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Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
Sylph.Kiaru said: »
I wonder why the NIN forums are so popular when ninja is one of the worst jobs in the game outside abyssea.
To be fair, this game as a whole is pretty terrible. Anyone who can honestly look at this game and attempt to defend it for the quality gameplay it brings is in denial.
Also Koga+2 for the millionth time.
Pretty much, want to have fun with RNG floor jumps, or RNG drop rates? Take your pick~!
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By Odin.Arkista 2012-05-13 15:32:50
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Sylph.Kiaru said: »
I wonder why the NIN forums are so popular when ninja is one of the worst jobs in the game outside abyssea.
You are crazy hahaha.
 
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By Odin.Eikechi 2012-05-13 15:56:35
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Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
Sylph.Kiaru said: »
I wonder why the NIN forums are so popular when ninja is one of the worst jobs in the game outside abyssea.
To be fair, this game as a whole is pretty terrible. Anyone who can honestly look at this game and attempt to defend it for the quality gameplay it brings is in denial.
Also Koga+2 for the millionth time.

Says the man with 2 relics and 6 empies? You do spend a lot of effort into a game that sucks lol.
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2012-05-13 16:01:30
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I'm assuming many others are in similar positions as me and play mainly for the simple sake of friends and habit.
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By Carbuncle.Grandthief 2012-05-14 07:14:49
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Fenrir.Reece said: »
Which one is better for inside Abyssea, and why?

I have a lot of people telling me the %7 DW is better than the Haste on the Iga legs, but I'm not too clued up on this.
You have to look at it based on the rest of the gear you use and not simply 7% Haste vs 7% Dual Wield.

As an example:
If you have 21% Haste in the rest of your gear and would use Iga pants, you wouldn't get the full benefits of the 7% Haste on them, since Haste caps for gear at 25% already.

On the other hand, if you have 21% Haste and add 7% Dual Wield to that set, you will get the full 7% delay-reduction because DW doesn't cap (outside of the total delay cap of 80% anyway).

Now, if you only had like 18% haste in your gear, outside of the pants-slot, and you'd add either item, there would be no difference, in terms of delay-reduction, since neither Haste got capped nor Dual Wield.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2012-05-14 07:42:33
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Now, if you only had like 18% haste in your gear, outside of the pants-slot, and you'd add either item, there would be no difference, in terms of delay-reduction, since neither Haste got capped nor Dual Wield.

You don't know game mechanics. Stop giving faulty advice
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2012-05-14 07:46:07
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Carbuncle.Grandthief said: »
Fenrir.Reece said: »
Which one is better for inside Abyssea, and why?

I have a lot of people telling me the %7 DW is better than the Haste on the Iga legs, but I'm not too clued up on this.
You have to look at it based on the rest of the gear you use and not simply 7% Haste vs 7% Dual Wield.

As an example:
If you have 21% Haste in the rest of your gear and would use Iga pants, you wouldn't get the full benefits of the 7% Haste on them, since Haste caps for gear at 25% already.

On the other hand, if you have 21% Haste and add 7% Dual Wield to that set, you will get the full 7% delay-reduction because DW doesn't cap (outside of the total delay cap of 80% anyway).

Now, if you only had like 18% haste in your gear, outside of the pants-slot, and you'd add either item, there would be no difference, in terms of delay-reduction, since neither Haste got capped nor Dual Wield.
Actually, because of the multiplicative nature of the two stats, the relative bonus of adding either one depends on how much of each you currently have. if you have 50% DW and 20% haste, +7% DW != +7% haste.
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By Carbuncle.Grandthief 2012-05-14 07:50:32
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
You don't know game mechanics. Stop giving faulty advice
And you're being of no help if you don't correct false statements, if you know better.

@Karina
Thanks for clarifying.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2012-05-14 07:52:05
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You've already been corrected. This is old information and what I thought to be common knowledge. Sorry if I was mistaken in that fact.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2012-05-14 07:55:35
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So ultimately, cap haste without your pants and then put on koga +2 pants?
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By Shiva.Galbir 2012-05-14 08:02:23
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Nah even when your haste isn't capped koga +2 pull ahead. The only thing that can circumstantially beat them are kitty pants with perfect augs and high dDex return. Though if you're using 100 body koga +2 pulls ahead even then.
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2012-05-14 10:29:57
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Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
So ultimately, cap haste without your pants and then put on koga +2 pants?
You'll need to use shinobi ring or thaumas coat to cap haste effectively while using koga+2 pants, but it's still better to use koga+2 even if you don't have these.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2012-05-14 13:10:47
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Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
So ultimately, cap haste without your pants and then put on koga +2 pants?

Use Koga +2 anyway unless you're getting massive Haste buffs.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-05-14 14:13:36
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Carbuncle.Grandthief said: »
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
You don't know game mechanics. Stop giving faulty advice
And you're being of no help if you don't correct false statements, if you know better.

@Karina
Thanks for clarifying.
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
You've already been corrected. This is old information and what I thought to be common knowledge. Sorry if I was mistaken in that fact.

It's also very basic mathematics.

a = dual wield amount
b= haste amount
x="added amount" of delay reduction

(1-(a+x))(1-b) = (1-a)(1-(b+x))

basic algebraic manipulations simplify this to

ax = bx

so it's true if and only if x=0 or a = b.


which is true if and only if x=0 or a=b (if you're not adding any delay reducion or if haste and dual wield were currently at the same %)

no excuses.
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By KothoftheHammer 2012-05-14 21:12:31
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DIablo III is coming out soon, maybe play that and get told what armor to use.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-14 21:12:45
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Use koga, swap to iga for utsu. ***'s hard :(
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-14 21:20:03
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Except 7% Dual Wield.
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