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By Shiva.Paranoid 2012-10-02 02:23:57
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I'm 24. Simply just not familiar with the horrible garbage Disney has pumped out over the last decade. I got love for the classic movies though.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-10-02 02:25:58
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Shiva.Paranoid said: »
I'm 24. Simply just not up to date with the horrible garbage Disney has pumped out over the last decade. I got love for the classic movies though.

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By Shiva.Paranoid 2012-10-02 02:27:18
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Nah. Robin Hood era is as far as I'll go.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-10-02 02:28:33
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Furries ruined Robin Hood for me.
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By Shiva.Paranoid 2012-10-02 02:31:10
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Adventurers of Ichabod & Mr. Toad is my personal favorite. Didn't get the recognition it deserved
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-10-02 02:32:47
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I ... actually haven't see that.
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By Shiva.Paranoid 2012-10-02 02:34:11
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Most haven't. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK8olK-luWE

Enjoy
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By Shiva.Paranoid 2013-04-01 12:14:52
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so...whats better 4 torcleaver?

Karieyh Brayettes or ogier's legs?
Karieyh Sollerets or dilarams feet?(i assume these are now useless?)
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By Fenrir.Calamity 2013-04-01 20:11:01
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My money is on Karieyh for certain on legs. The added 16 str and vit should be more than enough to top an extra 3% ws damage. As for the feet, it's iffy, if the Karieyh are better, it's probably by a small margain. This is of course just eyeballing. Someone else can do the spreadsheet math.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2013-04-01 20:29:58
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The Karieyh Feet would definetly be better. Higher mods and acc will put a huge pat on the back of Calad when bringing down the pain.
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By Carbuncle.Sanders 2013-04-01 20:57:20
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Fenrir.Calamity said: »
My money is on Karieyh for certain on legs. The added 16 str and vit should be more than enough to top an extra 3% ws damage. As for the feet, it's iffy, if the Karieyh are better, it's probably by a small margain. This is of course just eyeballing. Someone else can do the spreadsheet math.
Dilaram
STR+8 DEX+8 VIT+8 AGI+8 Attack+16 crit rate-8%
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Karieyh
STR+11 DEX+11 VIT+11 Accuracy+10 Attack+10 "Store TP"+5

The only thing you "lose" is 6atk.

The gain is 3str/dex/vit (plus 10acc and 5stp). The 3str brings the 10atk to 12atk.

So trading 4atk and 8agi for 10acc, 3str/3vit/3dex, and 5stp. I don't think even with the new DEF adjustment that you'd fight something where the 4atk would be missed.

[Edited; thanks Seiri]
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By Asura.Thannatos 2013-04-02 00:57:56
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Carbuncle.Sanders said: »
Fenrir.Calamity said: »
My money is on Karieyh for certain on legs. The added 16 str and vit should be more than enough to top an extra 3% ws damage. As for the feet, it's iffy, if the Karieyh are better, it's probably by a small margain. This is of course just eyeballing. Someone else can do the spreadsheet math.
Dilaram
STR+8 DEX+8 VIT+8 AGI+8 Attack+16 crit rate-8%
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Karieyh
STR+11 DEX+11 VIT+11 Accuracy+10 Attack+10 "Store TP"+5

The only thing you "lose" is 6atk.

The gain is 3str/dex/vit (plus 10acc and 5stp). The 3str brings the 10atk to 11.5atk.

So trading 4.5atk and 8agi for 10acc, 3str/3vit/3dex, and 5stp. I don't think even with the new DEF adjustment that you'd fight something where the 4.5atk would be missed.

^ This.
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By Diabolos.Raelia 2013-04-02 13:18:36
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People still thinking the defense changes affected player damage output? Wtf?

Unless somebody forgot DRK is a 2-handed job...
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By Siren.Seiri 2013-04-02 13:30:06
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Asura.Thannatos said: »
Carbuncle.Sanders said: »
Fenrir.Calamity said: »
My money is on Karieyh for certain on legs. The added 16 str and vit should be more than enough to top an extra 3% ws damage. As for the feet, it's iffy, if the Karieyh are better, it's probably by a small margain. This is of course just eyeballing. Someone else can do the spreadsheet math.
Dilaram
STR+8 DEX+8 VIT+8 AGI+8 Attack+16 crit rate-8%
vs
Karieyh
STR+11 DEX+11 VIT+11 Accuracy+10 Attack+10 "Store TP"+5

The only thing you "lose" is 6atk.

The gain is 3str/dex/vit (plus 10acc and 5stp). The 3str brings the 10atk to 11.5atk.

So trading 4.5atk and 8agi for 10acc, 3str/3vit/3dex, and 5stp. I don't think even with the new DEF adjustment that you'd fight something where the 4.5atk would be missed.

^ This.

This idea is sound, but a slight mistake. 2h weapons get 2 attack from 3 str, so 10 attack becomes 12 attack. That 3 str is also likely a boost in fSTR.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2013-04-02 13:35:44
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I can't find where I read it but I was under the impression that 1-hand was 2.0 before and 2-hand was 2.5 and that they would now both be 2.25.
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By Diabolos.Raelia 2013-04-02 14:52:04
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Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
I can't find where I read it but I was under the impression that 1-hand was 2.0 before and 2-hand was 2.5 and that they would now both be 2.25.
Yes, but is DRK a 1-handed job that such would even be considered?

Alternatively: No one-handed job is gonna be reaching that cap, so the attack is always relevant anyway. Particularly since this is only gonna be BST or PLD when talking about Karieyh, but then you have multihit WS and an accuracy need over 4.5 attack, so Kariyeh wins anyway.

More the wtf factor that someone out there thought this changed anything for DRK.
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By Carbuncle.Sanders 2013-04-02 15:07:52
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Siren.Seiri said: »
Asura.Thannatos said: »
Carbuncle.Sanders said: »
Fenrir.Calamity said: »
My money is on Karieyh for certain on legs. The added 16 str and vit should be more than enough to top an extra 3% ws damage. As for the feet, it's iffy, if the Karieyh are better, it's probably by a small margain. This is of course just eyeballing. Someone else can do the spreadsheet math.
Dilaram
STR+8 DEX+8 VIT+8 AGI+8 Attack+16 crit rate-8%
vs
Karieyh
STR+11 DEX+11 VIT+11 Accuracy+10 Attack+10 "Store TP"+5

The only thing you "lose" is 6atk.

The gain is 3str/dex/vit (plus 10acc and 5stp). The 3str brings the 10atk to 11.5atk.

So trading 4.5atk and 8agi for 10acc, 3str/3vit/3dex, and 5stp. I don't think even with the new DEF adjustment that you'd fight something where the 4.5atk would be missed.

^ This.

This idea is sound, but a slight mistake. 2h weapons get 2 attack from 3 str, so 10 attack becomes 12 attack. That 3 str is also likely a boost in fSTR.

Lol, thanks very much. Checked myself before posting and still messed it up. Edited.
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By Fenrir.Calamity 2013-04-02 15:30:43
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Carbuncle.Sanders said: »
Fenrir.Calamity said: »
My money is on Karieyh for certain on legs. The added 16 str and vit should be more than enough to top an extra 3% ws damage. As for the feet, it's iffy, if the Karieyh are better, it's probably by a small margain. This is of course just eyeballing. Someone else can do the spreadsheet math.
Dilaram
STR+8 DEX+8 VIT+8 AGI+8 Attack+16 crit rate-8%
vs
Karieyh
STR+11 DEX+11 VIT+11 Accuracy+10 Attack+10 "Store TP"+5

The only thing you "lose" is 6atk.

The gain is 3str/dex/vit (plus 10acc and 5stp). The 3str brings the 10atk to 12atk.

So trading 4atk and 8agi for 10acc, 3str/3vit/3dex, and 5stp. I don't think even with the new DEF adjustment that you'd fight something where the 4atk would be missed.

[Edited; thanks Seiri]
Really I only factored in the str and vit. It's a single hit ws, and the dex and acc are likely doing little, if anything for your torcleaver, unless your acc is really hurting, which it shouldn't be. Depending on your build, the stp might be valuable. As I said, they may be better, but it's not really going to be by a huge amount. There is a lot gained from them, but very little of those gains really impact torcleaver. If we were talking reso, that would be a completely different story.
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By Carbuncle.Sanders 2013-04-02 16:00:19
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You can't help but have a "what's good for torcleaver" question bleed into "what's good for DRK." And while these new feet are mild for torc, just get them. It's easy. Especially if you don't have dilaram's for some reason, since those are a random VW drop. It's just a no-brainer.
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By Siren.Seiri 2013-04-02 16:03:37
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Well for torc, what's better? For how ridiculously easy they are to get, what else is worth getting atm? 3 VIT is usually 2 base dmg, then 1 more usually from 3 str for fSTR. 3 damage vs 6 atk.
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By Fenrir.Calamity 2013-04-02 16:12:30
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Bottom line, for torcleaver, these are better by a very small margin, but worth getting either way for their usefulness in reso. So yes. Get them.
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By Shiva.Paranoid 2013-04-03 08:12:46
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thanks for your responses. planned on getting both for reso, wasn't sure about torc. just kinda disappointing considering how rare vw stuff was and how easy bayld is. but i guess that's not a bummer for those that were never able to get the vw drops
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By Shiva.Paranoid 2013-04-03 08:28:59
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is drachenhorn a huge down grade from mekira-oto+1 for reso? im broke and lazy, thinking of selling since Quauhpilli helm will eventually be accessible. i dont usually pay much attention to days of the week. thoughts?
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By Fenrir.Calamity 2013-04-03 16:04:26
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I wouldn't rush things until we know just how accessible it is.
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By Shiva.Paranoid 2013-04-03 18:43:56
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i just neeeed plates, dross done. figure it will be more worth it to finish caladbolg asap. can buy back mekira later
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