I have been using Orison complete set for full chance at Augment from them, but do you think it is worth changing to using these pants now?
I guess I am leaning towards , just curious if others thinking the same way and does anyone swap to Enhancing set for Pro/Shell?
Cleric Pantaloons +2 And Bar Spells.
Cleric Pantaloons +2 and Bar spells.
There was a fairly large thread about this awhile back. http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/24734/barspell-test
Some decent testing/mathing in there later on.
Long story short, Use 4/5 Orison+2, and cleric's legs. And that conclusion was made using NQ cleric's I think. So Cleric's +2 ftw.
As for protect/shell and enhancing skill, why? Both duration and potency on them are static. Additional skill isn't going to have any effect. Cast in fast cast and conserve MP or something.
Some decent testing/mathing in there later on.
Long story short, Use 4/5 Orison+2, and cleric's legs. And that conclusion was made using NQ cleric's I think. So Cleric's +2 ftw.
As for protect/shell and enhancing skill, why? Both duration and potency on them are static. Additional skill isn't going to have any effect. Cast in fast cast and conserve MP or something.
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Quick note,the AF2+2 legs always have "Enhances Shellra V" on them,so its obviously worth casting Shellra V in those
Quiznor said: »
Quick note,the AF2+2 legs always have "Enhances Shellra V" on them,so its obviously worth casting Shellra V in those
honestly stick with full enhancing magic/barspell build. the +2 set is cool. but if the resist on the barspell procs, you only have to cure about 200 or so vs nothing IF the +2 set procs that'd give a lesser effect. Stick with the body though. its MDB attached to barspells is nice.
Personally don't care either way if my barspells proc or not, it never really is that much of an issue.
its pretty simple really
Your strategy is based on resisting? Like you fight "tiamat" VW and want to resist all fire attacks? You go for as high skill as possible to break resist tiers an achieve constant 1/16(or something liek that) damage.
If you not going for resist rate and you know that your bar alone wont be enough to break resist tier then your best best is full set bar to occasionally got hit by 0.
In short you should have both full af3+2 and full enhancing skill sets and use them when needed.
Your strategy is based on resisting? Like you fight "tiamat" VW and want to resist all fire attacks? You go for as high skill as possible to break resist tiers an achieve constant 1/16(or something liek that) damage.
If you not going for resist rate and you know that your bar alone wont be enough to break resist tier then your best best is full set bar to occasionally got hit by 0.
In short you should have both full af3+2 and full enhancing skill sets and use them when needed.
Asura.Pergatory said: »
Quiznor said: »
Quick note,the AF2+2 legs always have "Enhances Shellra V" on them,so its obviously worth casting Shellra V in those
Well yeah I meant they will ALWAYS enhance shellra V after you do said trial :P its not just a proc thing :P
Siren.Kalilla said: »
Personally don't care either way if my barspells proc or not, it never really is that much of an issue.
I agree with Kal here. A decent whm whose enhancing magic is leveled decently should be hitting 150-160+ elemental-resist on the bar they cast.
But for a short answer NO. it is not worth using full af3+2 for barspells. The process rate is so low. As mentioned above Vaness on Cerb did a test on the set bonus http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/24734/barspell-test
is what i use at moment. I still need to upgrade legs and waist. But meh it get's the job done at moment.
Asura.Werdxi said: »
proc means to procure lol
E.g. Did you see the proc today David?
all jobs need a pair of pantaloons.. seriously, cleric pantaloons are friken cute.
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Wouldn't Zenith crown +1 with 7-8 enhancing skill be superior to AF3+2 head?
Lakshmi.Kolvar said: »
I have been using Orison complete set for full chance at Augment from them, but do you think it is worth changing to using these pants now?
I guess I am leaning towards , just curious if others thinking the same way and does anyone swap to Enhancing set for Pro/Shell?
I guess I am leaning towards , just curious if others thinking the same way and does anyone swap to Enhancing set for Pro/Shell?
I had old friends saying that using enhancing on protectra/shellra augmented the lenght.Eyeballin?Prolly.But doesn't hurt to do it/believe in it xD.
Or you can get very bored and test it :3
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On my alt I use Blessed Briault with my bar-spell set, Wiki claims it gives an additional +5 MDB to your spells. (I would buy the +1 if I was sure it gave more MDB to bar-spells.)
Anyone else use this and/or have a preference?
Anyone else use this and/or have a preference?
Cerberus.Vaness said: »
The augment makes it totally worth it. "Augment shellra V" wich add 5 MDT per merit (not 100% sure of this one yet).
The Augment Shellra V is really good, but I doubt it'd be THAT good xD If that were the case, you'd be looking at capped MDT in a single cast of Shellra V with these babies on. I think it's more reasonable to assume that it's an additional 1 MDT per merit to a cap of 5.
But if there's evidence to support a 5 MDT per merit, holy crap Batman! O-o
Bismarck.Eburo said: »
On my alt I use Blessed Briault with my bar-spell set, Wiki claims it gives an additional +5 MDB to your spells. (I would buy the +1 if I was sure it gave more MDB to bar-spells.)
Anyone else use this and/or have a preference?
Anyone else use this and/or have a preference?
AF3+2 body with Afflatus Solace up gives +10 MDB on your Bar- spells, if I recall correctly, making it generally the more ideal body to cast Bar- spells in.
Ragnarok.Ghishlain said: »
The Augment Shellra V is really good, but I doubt it'd be THAT good xD If that were the case, you'd be looking at capped MDT in a single cast of Shellra V with these babies on. I think it's more reasonable to assume that it's an additional 1 MDT per merit to a cap of 5.
But if there's evidence to support a 5 MDT per merit, holy crap Batman! O-o
+5 MDT is pretty awesome on 1 spell that can be put on everybody.
it makes it more MDT that can be changed to MBD for tanks.
I highly doubt a single item would offer Shellra V an extra -5% mdt per merit up to a total of -25%.
It'd mostly be like 1% extra per merit up to a total of -5%.
Correct me if I'm wrong, however.
It'd mostly be like 1% extra per merit up to a total of -5%.
Correct me if I'm wrong, however.
Fenrir.Leoheart said: »
I highly doubt a single item would offer Shellra V an extra -5% mdt per merit up to a total of -25%.
It'd mostly be like 1% extra per merit up to a total of -5%.
Correct me if I'm wrong, however.
It'd mostly be like 1% extra per merit up to a total of -5%.
Correct me if I'm wrong, however.
Forgive my french, my sentences structures still need alot of work.
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My french is pretty weak now.. I got the top score in my school 5 years ago :<
My french is pretty weak now.. I got the top score in my school 5 years ago :<
Ragnarok.Ghishlain said: »
AF3+2 body with Afflatus Solace up gives +10 MDB on your Bar- spells, if I recall correctly, making it generally the more ideal body to cast Bar- spells in.
Oops, I completely looked over that. I'm a little embarrassed now. :/
It's 1/256 per merit, which is more like 0.4% per merit. With 5/5 Shellra merits (which every WHM should have) the augment will take you from 70/256 to 75/256 (from -27% MDT to -29% MDT).
Still extremely valuable and worth doing.
Source
Also Eburo to answer your question, Blessed Briault +1 gives the same 5 MDB as the NQ body. Can't remember where I saw this, but it was indeed tested and confirmed. So NQ & HQ Blessed Briault are equal to the Orison Bliaud +1. Orison+2 beats both by double.
Still extremely valuable and worth doing.
Source
Also Eburo to answer your question, Blessed Briault +1 gives the same 5 MDB as the NQ body. Can't remember where I saw this, but it was indeed tested and confirmed. So NQ & HQ Blessed Briault are equal to the Orison Bliaud +1. Orison+2 beats both by double.
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