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 Cerberus.Tikal
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2011-12-19 19:48:21
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Any opinions? I'm wondering if it could bring back the utility of Thief and enfeebling bolts.

I don't have it yet, but I'm curious if anyone has yet and gauged its usefulness.
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By Lakshmi.Aanalaty 2011-12-19 19:54:45
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Havent yet. Still finishing Dagger WS, then doing lance/marks for drg and rng so eventually ill be toying with it on thf a lot.

Though, our bolt/Xbow selection is so terrible (base damage wise. LolVenomBolt is best 'DD' bolt we have) it would be pretty abysmal.

The real fun will be Culverin/cannon shell WS on thf.


I really cant fathom it doing very well for Xbow damage wise. But i will have great fun doin Exenerator>Culverin Last Stand for light WS :P
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By Phoenix.Wackatramp 2011-12-21 18:56:08
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Agreed. I myself just picked up a Culverin +1 just minutes ago. I'm going to screw around with it tonight.
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2011-12-29 13:26:32
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Honestly i'm surprised since they gave it to thf that they didnt give it to nin. but then again i think coffinmaker was the last nin marksmanship weapon..lol so how did this do for thf?
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By Lakshmi.Aanalaty 2012-01-18 11:17:49
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So....i totally got an idea today that i REALLY wanna try.

I have 5/5 last stand for rng. I just bought a culverin for thf. I also have a lv 95 TP bonus dagger. So my thought is, I 'think' the magian TP bonus weapons (and WOTG bonus for that matter) will work for other weapon types, ie ranged ws.

So, now im thinking about mainhanding lv 99 TP bonus dagger and offhanding a 95 fusetto TP+100(different names, so we can have both). This would in theory, make alll my last stands 300TP which will boost damage a LOT.

So now, i can culverin+cannon shell 300TP last stands every 100tp. Thf has a buttload of agi gear and i fortunately have virtually all of it between TA, Exenerator, old Racc Xbow and Rng sets.

Yeah, it will be expensive with the bullets and its just a toy build, but i have the gil and it sounds fun.

I just need to verify you can double up with 2 TP bonus daggers and they work on ranged WS 1st before i go make a second dagger :)
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By Leviathan.Shya 2012-01-18 11:35:41
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Sorry, TP Bonus melee doesn't effect ranged and vice-versa. But i must admit I have Culv+1 and i have used this in Dyna..Tis a very fun ws for random stuff xD Specially on thf mobs that 2hr!
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By Lakshmi.Aanalaty 2012-01-18 19:58:24
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Seems that is a little misinformation based on the old TP bonus weapons. Seems the magian TP bonus weapons break ALL the old rules compared to the martials.

Dagger does work for ranged, and even works off handed as Me and a couple people tested today in this thread.

Only thing left is can you use 2x TP+100 daggers at once. I seem to remember a test showing you could, but dont remember it explicitly, but either way, this does open the door to my new fun thf toy build ^_^
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By Fenrir.Curty 2012-01-18 20:11:11
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Interesting application for rng/war too.. Fencer + martial knife will give a 140 tp bonus.
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2012-01-18 20:22:14
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Martial knife only apply when main handed to the knife itself.
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-18 20:24:13
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Not worth it on a x-bow.

Source: I am a 99 THF and 99 COR with 5/5 Last Stand.
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By DuzellLevi 2012-01-18 20:35:40
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Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
Not worth it on a x-bow.

Source: I am a 99 THF and 99 COR with 5/5 Last Stand.

How is it with a Culverin +1?
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-18 20:38:12
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Don't have it can't tell you. If you stack AGI you might get okay damage, it's not amazing on COR either, just better than Slug, which isn't saying much.
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By Asura.Vrytreya 2012-01-18 21:26:11
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Fenrir.Curty said: »
Interesting application for rng/war too.. Fencer + martial knife will give a 140 tp bonus.
RNG can't use magian daggers, unfortunately.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-01-18 21:51:44
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EDIT: nevermind, forgot oldschool martial weapons are terrible.

Also Fencer I is only 20 TP Bonus.
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By Fenrir.Curty 2012-01-18 22:01:34
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
EDIT: nevermind, forgot oldschool martial weapons are terrible.

Also Fencer I is only 20 TP Bonus.

Woops misread ffxiclopedia, 120 tp bonus is still kind of cool :(.
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By Leviathan.Duzell 2012-02-11 07:06:07
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This is what im starting to look at as an ideal last stand set, ignoring such silly factors as cost and VW drop issues. Further improvement tips would be appriciated and keep in mind, this is THF so realistically it needs some extra Racc thrown in (hence the mantle and gloves). Both daggers would be +100TP bonus (swap man and off obviously).
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By Phoenix.Shiomi 2012-02-11 07:28:56
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Why Athos feet? Raider's +2 is 15 AGI. Athos offers nothing more to the WS. Also guessing you meant to put the 95 dagger.
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By Leviathan.Duzell 2012-02-11 07:45:08
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Phoenix.Shiomi said: »
Why Athos feet? Raider's +2 is 15 AGI. Athos offers nothing more to the WS. Also guessing you meant to put the 95 dagger.
yea i cought the boots in beseiged just a moment ago, fixed. Also didn't noice the Rare on TP daggers, fixed.
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By Lakshmi.Aanalaty 2012-02-11 12:10:46
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Can just camp the lv 60 +8 agi set earrings. Way cheaper.

Also Athos gloves particularly when the day bonus FTP kicks in.

Ambushers hose are 10 agi instead of that 8 subligar.

I used terrebellum mantle and let my pot au fou deal with my acc generally.

With those changes youd have my set (except i dont own any athos yet, so skadi hands and loki's). Ratk is very hard to come by and when dealing with base damage, WSC and FTP values that are THIS rediculous, atk is the fastest way to raise damage sicne everything else is already stupidly high so Thf/War for this. Zerk helps tremendously.

Ive had great fun in VW and Einherjar with this setup and won more than a couple parses too :)
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By Asura.Vrytreya 2012-02-11 12:42:53
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Even on RNG, I still can't cap Last Stand damage on Qilin.
That's considering:
Dia II, Acid Bolt, Red Curry Bun, Velocity Shot, Zerk, Warcry, Stalwart, Flashy Shot, Minuet4+5.

About 400-500 dmg short from capping.
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By DuzellLevi 2012-02-11 16:22:43
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Asura.Vrytreya said: »
Even on RNG, I still can't cap Last Stand damage on Qilin.
That's considering:
Dia II, Acid Bolt, Red Curry Bun, Velocity Shot, Zerk, Warcry, Stalwart, Flashy Shot, Minuet4+5.

About 400-500 dmg short from capping.

Have you tried real red curry instead of curry buns, suppososidly the +ratt caps higher on actual curry vs the buns.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-11 16:23:58
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Wouldn't you need to cap fSTR2 to cap damage, which is like next to impossible, isn't it?
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By Bismarck.Gaspee 2012-02-11 16:24:53
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Bismarck.Sylow said: »
Wouldn't you need to cap fSTR2 to cap damage, which is like next to impossible, isn't it?
Basically, yeah.
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By Bismarck.Helel 2012-02-11 16:47:52
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DuzellLevi said: »
Asura.Vrytreya said: »
Even on RNG, I still can't cap Last Stand damage on Qilin.
That's considering:
Dia II, Acid Bolt, Red Curry Bun, Velocity Shot, Zerk, Warcry, Stalwart, Flashy Shot, Minuet4+5.

About 400-500 dmg short from capping.

Have you tried real red curry instead of curry buns, suppososidly the +ratt caps higher on actual curry vs the buns.

That's wrong. RCB are 150 just like the orig.

Just wanted to say that using two tp bonus daggers with last stand is a really cool idea. The damage must be pretty decent. How does it fare vs dagger WS?
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By Leviathan.Duzell 2012-02-11 19:14:31
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Made most of the suggested changes. Not sold on the gloves, but if by some miricle they drop to me I have no qualms trying them. The 7 str in the calculation may help more than the 2 more agi and 9 ratt, it would vary between trash mobs and real mobs (then again on trash mobs I would use my Shark Gun(Working on getting Coffinmaker) and Iron/Gold/Platinum Bullets). Basically i want to work out what is the ideal before I start working twards it seriously so as not to waist my time on things.
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By Lakshmi.Aanalaty 2012-02-12 01:39:30
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Its basically a sidegrade to alarunes since the atk is so needed on thf. But Athos has that FTP bonus based on day, so on the days that its active it wins by a bit. On the days its not it looses by a bit.

Not enough to loose any sleep over, but i wanted athos for other stuff anyway so i havent bothered t buy alarunes sicne they are a little pricey for just a 'toy' build for me, so ill just stick with skadi till i land athos. They are both really close though so just use whatever is more convenient.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-03-28 17:13:17
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Well, we got a gun. Now we just need bullets.

Handgonne +1
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By Cerberus.Blackpain 2012-06-12 07:11:00
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For Last Stand on THF try a Mextli harness or Tessera Saio. Handgonne as a gun could work as well.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Absolutezero 2012-09-30 16:01:29
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Apologies for the necro... I was just looking to get some ideas on what a last stand set would look like for thf nowadays. (For entertainment purposes of course, basically just messing around.)
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