Question About Daggers

Hey I am working on getting THF to 90...

I was just curious what Dagger's I should use once 90...

I have Triplus already... I was thinking Triplus main hand and Thief's Knife off hand.

Is there something better that Triplus for main hand?

I am only using THF for TH bish so not going to do a Magian or Empy...

So under those circumstances is Triplus the best bet?

If you feel froggy, can attempt to get a perfect Augmented Yataghan[main](DMG+8 & Crit.+6% Damage) ..other than that, on regards of what to use non magian/Emp, go for Twilight Knife(main), Auric Dagger(main), Rapidus sax(offhand).

But whichever of those combos would float your boat, depending on your build.

edit: I guess if just focusing on TH, get a Rapidus sax. The faster you swing the faster you land TH I suppose, just switch out Thief's Knife on after first hit. :3

I was thinking Twilight, however I already have the Helm, Mail, Scythe, Belt, and Neck...

So brewing a Shin is not really worth it....

If you're just going for TH *** Rapidus is arguably the way to go due to the low delay offering marginally more TH upgrades (idr if the haste helps or if THF rocks 26% but possibly that too). DPS-wise, you'd be looking at something else.

THF should be rocking 26%.

You should never full time Thief's Knife, equip it once at the start with your other TH gear (hands and feet), hit the mob once, and then switch to your main daggers.

If you're mostly going for TH, you'll probably want to just have very low delay daggers to give greater amounts of attack rounds, and ergo more chances to have TH proc on a melee hit.

I, for instance, use Twilight mainhand and Triplus offhand, in that they both have very short delays, a respectable DoT for non-magian daggers, and the steal hp/tp is excellent. Rapidus is always an option if you need it to cap haste and give you a drastically shortened delay, but is lackluster in terms of giving respectable DoT in capped accuracy situations.

At the last 25% of a hard mob, you may consider switching out Triplus with Auric Dagger for the subtle blow, as THF tp feed is notorious for making the mob spam tp moves at <25%, and the subtle blow really helps with it.

That is effort!

Awesome thx a ton guys!!!

Guess I need a Twilight Dagger :(

So THF has TH 6 now right? But it stacks up to 11 or more?

I wont need to keep Thief's Knife equipped to do this?

Hit it once in your TH gear, then swap it out to fastest hitting combo to maximize TH effect.

Highest I've seen it gone is 12, but that was in a screenshot, haven't seen it personally. I got 11 on King Arthro when I camped him a week straight, back to back, but I never did hit 12 on him :( bah..I guess it was just bad luck.

QQ poor nini, needs everything

in cerealness though, 2 macros make this a really easy process
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TH
/equip hands "Assassin's Armlets"
/equip feet "Raid. Poultaines +2"
/equip sub "Thief's Knife"
/console sc d hands
/console sc d feet
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Post
/console sc e
/equip sub "Triplus Dagger"
/console sc s hastetp
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You lose TP when you use these macros, so if you're at like 80% or something and need to help proc red, just do a quick attack round, do energy drain, and then put TH on using your TH gear and then switch back.

If you're killing fodder you might just full time the TH gear in case you forget, but otherwise switching vastly improves performance >insert sexual innuendo here<

27% Haste, but you get the point lol
MAXIMUM SPEED YYEAEEAAAHHH

Oh I guess that does make things easy. I've always just been lazy tbh. >___>;

Pfft nini don't give a ***

full timin them agi feet all day every day

All day err day :O

why not a demonry ring?
Never have to worry about aspir again >:

Well, I seen it as just TH ***, not DPS, so more attacks is more chances :D

its all moot, th chance is only once/attack round, but the higher your dps, the faster you kill the mob, AND THE LESS ATTACK ROUNDS YOU CAN DO. *** WE NEED TO REWORK OUR BUILDS

Poo :< Demonry ring goooo

Bring me Peter Pan!

Everyone one hand an onion dagger

Ready!

I LOVE ME SOME AGI FEET! THEY HAVE EVASION FOR ALL THE HATE I'M TAKING.

Amidoinitrite?

Didn't we prove that haste has to proc? That would cause serious complications with TH proccing. Would have to like, double proc or something.

You're right, but if you use assassin's charge it force-procs at least 50% of your total haste according to your dCHR ratio remember? usually thfs wait until that's up until they engage the mob, otherwise your haste to CHR ratio isn't balanced and you start to see massive spikes in enemy critical hit rate.

I've never played THF as a main job, but traditionally it's been considered best to seek daggers that have a high Weapon Rank (especially for Main hand) and low Delay (especially for "off" hand).
Other than Empyrean, Relic, and Magian daggers (like the Kila+2), which you said don't interest you right now, I would consider these daggers:

Gnadgott - higher raw DPS than the other daggers listed here.
Mantodea Harpe - higher Weapon Rank than the other daggers listed here.
Triplus Dagger - popular dagger, and you said you already have one. Probably best-suited to be an "off" hand knife. I imagine its effectiveness increases if you have more/other gear/merits that boost your Triple Attack rate, but I don't have any evidence, per se, to back that up.
Rapidus Sax - Easy to acquire, really low delay, fairly high DPS. Nicely designed for "off" hand usage, and the only dagger that has a Haste bonus (unless I'm forgetting something).
Twilight Knife - A versatile well-balanced dagger. Not the highest DMG, lowest Delay, or highest DPS, but good values for all 3. Lots of jobs can use this knife, too.

Hope this helps a bit. Enjoy and have fun out there.

But Wolf showed the best set :<

edit: Time to go for a bit, I'll be back :D

Not everyone merits assassin's charge though :( They merit step acc.

When I'm trying to proc TH I will TA and SA repeatedly then just turn away from the mob until they are ready to be used again. But you are sacrificing several swings (and several chances for TH) in the place of one hit with TA or SA because of damage I hear you say? Well, TH has a significantly higher chance of proccing with TA/SA, even more so with AF3+1/2 hands.

Through testing and proccing over many months I can tell you with confidence you will achieve a much higher TH proc rate using this method, especially if you equip a ridiculously weak dagger. You could also gimp your DEX/AGI for SA/TA if you feel the need to prolong the battle further.