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Full AF3+2 or Haste @ 26%????
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By Phoenix.Ardiem 2011-07-16 17:05:45
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So I didn't want to make a whole new thread about it, but this is what I'm aiming for on my THF TP set. Atm its rather far from this goal but I was wondering if this is ideal or not.

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By Leviathan.Apoptygma 2011-07-16 20:19:04
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Bahamut.Aeronis said:
Cerberus.Sidical said:
When I refered to using Homam for tp I was refering to the feet not the legs.

Should be using Dusk +1 Feet anyways, not Homam.

Cerberus.Sidical said:
Bahamut.Aeronis said:
Cerberus.Sidical said:
When I refered to using Homam for tp I was refering to the feet not the legs.

Should be using Dusk +1 Feet anyways, not Homam.
Basically a difference of 7acc or 5atk between the two. Homam was free and I use it for my range attacks. Dusk +1 would cost me 500k or so. They might be the better of the two but at this point I see it as a minor difference.

the margin of improvement would be a little over 00.7% (provided you are not having acc issues)
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By Leviathan.Laphine 2011-07-16 20:34:45
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Bahamut.Aeronis said:
Cerberus.Sidical said:
When I refered to using Homam for tp I was refering to the feet not the legs.

Should be using Dusk +1 Feet anyways, not Homam.

The best thing about 4/5af+ homam feet is its prowess against "hard" stuff (say, final tier nms on heroes areas). Acc is not auto capped on them, and 6 acc will be better than 5 attack. You could use dusk feet on some weak nms/normal mobs but a nusku's sash combo should be better (certainly is better on normal mobs).


Phoenix.Ardiem said:
So I didn't want to make a whole new thread about it, but this is what I'm aiming for on my THF TP set. Atm its rather far from this goal but I was wondering if this is ideal or not.

Brutal is better than raider's ear.
I never really liked calmecac due it's -8 acc. Still, because i never really checked its performance for real, i placed your combo (with brutal ear) in the damage spreadsheet i use. It was worse than 4/5af + homam even against super weak stuff outside or inside abyssea.
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By Asura.Backstab 2011-07-16 20:50:42
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Full af3 +2 with nusku's sash. RR,omnipotent,apoc is what i use a lot or 4/5 af3 when i use GH,RR,apoc.

But i wouldnt use omnipotent unless you have a twasthar.
 
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By Leviathan.Apoptygma 2011-07-16 21:07:12
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Bismarck.Josiahfk said:

And I imagine if you're just dding as a thf/war or something it would fall even further behind? or would the att+ da+ bring it back up a bit
/war using berserk actually does pull ahead, even moreso when SE gave THF the natural ability to DW.
Roughly 20% more in dps and ws.
But you really need a dedicated healer to pull it off, talk about a MP sponge.
 
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By Leviathan.Apoptygma 2011-07-16 21:14:16
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Bismarck.Josiahfk said:

or you're just a dd not a tank and doubtfully you'd pull hate from an ukko war
Oh I do that anyway without /war :3

Guess I was referring more to the times I'd go to Crapaudy parties, demanding to be the MA.
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By Leviathan.Laphine 2011-07-16 21:19:12
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yeah, /war would make da and ta on the legs even worse. Considering the combo still lost (by a very small margin) outside abyssea with cap cratio scenario, it sums up that 4% crit is better than 2%TA + 2%DA for us.

edit: oh yeah, it's easy to cap hate inside abyssea. When at cap hate what determines the "tank" is the how fast you can recap it. Thf can be the tank even with a ukon war because our rounds are faster.
 
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By Phoenix.Ardiem 2011-07-17 01:57:50
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I've refined the set, I'm actually much closer to this set than I was to the calmecac set.

It looks like this now:


Thank you all for the assistance.
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2011-07-17 02:25:27
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Phoenix.Ardiem said:
I've refined the set, I'm actually much closer to this set than I was to the calmecac set.

It looks like this now:


Thank you all for the assistance.
If you're fine with having Damage taken+10%, rancor collar is a good upgrade for neck. Demonry/Oneiros ring might be better than rajas. Str Kila or perfect Yataghan would beat twilight knife.
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2011-07-17 02:39:44
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What stats constitute a "perfect" yataghan? And would using 2 of them (given the effort to get 2 perfect) be worth it? or is Triplus still better to off-hand?
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By Carbuncle.Asymptotic 2011-07-17 02:40:33
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isn't it +7 dmg, +6% crit?
I just saw a JP running around with that on a Yat.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-07-17 02:48:20
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+8 DMG and 6% Crit damage
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By Leviathan.Apoptygma 2011-07-17 03:30:34
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Phoenix.Ardiem said:
I've refined the set, I'm actually much closer to this set than I was to the calmecac set.

It looks like this now:


Thank you all for the assistance.

Good Job! That's the basics of the set I've concluded to using, after playing with different combinations.
I would suggest Str Kila +2 (x2) to get the biggest bang for your buck, until you get a Daka or Twash.
Could get a little more from Demonry ring, but I haven't gotten around to parsing it.
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By Shiva.Khimaira 2011-07-17 04:22:32
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Leviathan.Apoptygma said:
Phoenix.Ardiem said:
I've refined the set, I'm actually much closer to this set than I was to the calmecac set.

It looks like this now:


Thank you all for the assistance.

Good Job! That's the basics of the set I've concluded to using, after playing with different combinations.
I would suggest Str Kila +2 (x2) to get the biggest bang for your buck, until you get a Daka or Twash.
Could get a little more from Demonry ring, but I haven't gotten around to parsing it.

Don't forget that Tonberry neck piece :)

And I'm not sure of exact numbers, but on paper, Demonry surpasses Rajas by a reasonable amount.
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By Sylph.Gredival 2011-07-18 01:36:22
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Phoenix.Kirana said:
Yes, but only if you are in abyssea and have triple attack stacked high enough.

^^^ I'm under the impression there is a bonus to the augment using the whole set which is what makes 5/5 worth it inside Abyssea with the inflated Triple Attack rate. Not sure if it's worth it if it's just 1% for the last piece.
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By Phoenix.Viewpoint 2011-07-26 01:07:25
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Ramuh.Austar said:
26% haste.

No.

This.
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By Asura.Karbuncle 2011-07-26 06:26:35
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Sylph.Gredival said:
Phoenix.Kirana said:
Yes, but only if you are in abyssea and have triple attack stacked high enough.

^^^ I'm under the impression there is a bonus to the augment using the whole set which is what makes 5/5 worth it inside Abyssea with the inflated Triple Attack rate. Not sure if it's worth it if it's just 1% for the last piece.

Byrth did some testing on the "Double Damage" Set bonuses (I.E DRG, BST, PUP, DNC, etc) and it seemed like the pieces/% were

0/1/2/3/5

for 1/2/3/4/5 pieces respectively. So if THF is the same, 5/5 gives you 5% chance to Triple Damage on Triple Attack. Would require some testing however is this is just assuming it works similar to "Double Damage" Bonuses.

I always felt it was ~6%

Edit: Also people realize you're not getting 26% Haste right? You still only get 25% Haste you just need 26% in "shown numbers" to actually reach the 25% Gear cap. I'm sure you all do know this though...
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