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Sorc. Ring Activation {Please assist.}
 Bahamut.Nightcrew
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By Bahamut.Nightcrew 2009-09-26 22:40:11
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<3 Jurai. that was more of less the answer i was looking for, lol.

thats good to know Antipika. thanks for that.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-09-26 22:43:10
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If I remember right visible gear doesn't affect your base hp but invisible gear does.
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By Ifrit.Jurai 2009-09-26 23:35:49
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Dasva said:
If I remember right visible gear doesn't affect your base hp but invisible gear does.
I know the Back slot doesn't count but the Waist does. As for the rest I can't comment on. Wiki says Rings don't count.

Antipika said:
You'd need to be below 958*0.76 = 728.08. So as long as you have 728HP or less when your nuke hits the target, you're fine.
My MaxHP is 958 too. 728 does not give me the latent damage but at 720 I get it. Why? This is because HP in the Back slot doesn't count. So my actual HP is 948 (I have Prism Cape). Just went outside Windy to recheck since I lost my # a long time ago lol...

HP = DMG
908 = 1320
728 = 1320
727 = 1320
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721 = 1320 (721/948=0.7605)
720 = 1402 (720/948=0.7594)
719 = 1402
718 = 1402

If you do the math with 958 I do not hit the right % when the damage changes.

Ixion cape instead of Prism shouldn't have this problem though.
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By Fenrir.Krazyrs 2009-09-27 00:47:53
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since i nuke in zmitts that 50hp doeasnt count, still trying for goli

but otherwise i use

sub: wind strap (-20)
ammo: tiphia sting (-25)
head: zenith crown (-50)
body: black cotehardie (-25)
lring: ether ring (-30)
rring: electrum ring (-20)
belt: penitent's rope (-20)
legs: zenith slacks (-50)
feet: rostrum pumps (-30)
takes away total of -270 and puts me right at 74% (728hp)

gotta drop it with 8/8hp+ >.<

have to include the rope for days that i nuke in Obi's (wind/thunder/ice)

the trick is to get yourself to 74% hp while in nuking gear, not while naked
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By Garuda.Antipika 2009-09-27 08:53:32
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Jurai said:
Dasva said:
If I remember right visible gear doesn't affect your base hp but invisible gear does.
I know the Back slot doesn't count but the Waist does. As for the rest I can't comment on. Wiki says Rings don't count.

Antipika said:
You'd need to be below 958*0.76 = 728.08. So as long as you have 728HP or less when your nuke hits the target, you're fine.
My MaxHP is 958 too. 728 does not give me the latent damage but at 720 I get it. Why? This is because HP in the Back slot doesn't count. So my actual HP is 948 (I have Prism Cape). Just went outside Windy to recheck since I lost my # a long time ago lol...

HP = DMG
908 = 1320
728 = 1320
727 = 1320
~
721 = 1320 (721/948=0.7605)
720 = 1402 (720/948=0.7594)
719 = 1402
718 = 1402

If you do the math with 958 I do not hit the right % when the damage changes.

Ixion cape instead of Prism shouldn't have this problem though.


Ixion cape do affect me. I have no prism anymore to run test tho. But since OP talked about Ixion anyway, 728 still ok.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury 2009-10-27 20:13:51
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Before I waste time doing research myself which will probably end up in vain anyway...

Is there a way to force the ring at level ~55 via gear only? In case someone else already figured out the "no"...
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By Remora.Ninian 2009-10-27 20:17:19
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Eh... I don't know. Probably not. I'd try ether/astral/tiphia sting/star necklace. That's ~59 though.

Edit: If you can get a Serket that'd lop off a nice chunk, Astral earring, astral rope, Bellicose Mantle, gold hairpin, Fomor Tunic.

I think you could manage it.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury 2009-10-27 20:20:22
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Hm, I was looking at this, seems like convert gear gets me 105ish under 55. Going to try and see if I can come up with the other 75 with HP negative somewhere else, I doubt it :(

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Convert_HP_to_MP
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By Ramuh.Haseyo 2009-10-27 20:21:57
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Lovin' the new necro-skull.
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By Unicorn.Tarowyn 2009-10-27 20:24:02
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I was actually doing the math for this yesterday trying to figure it out myself and it should be doable though you'll have to actually nuke in some +hp gear, what race are you?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury 2009-10-27 20:25:57
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Yeah including what you added, it's a no lol.
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By Remora.Ninian 2009-10-27 20:26:03
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Okay so for ~55

Serket Ring -55
Ether Ring -30
Astral Earring -25
Astral Rope -15
Bellicose Mantle -10
Gold Hairpin -12
Fomor Tunic -25

-172 for ~55... would that be enough?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury 2009-10-27 20:26:36
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Tarowyn: The BLM55 is a Mithra. I can log on to get the exact nuking HP.

Edit: Ninian: Cool, logging her on now, seeing if it is.

Edit: Fomor Tunic probably is out of sight... Maybe can make up 25 in a few levels.
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By Remora.Ninian 2009-10-27 20:47:09
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Maybe, can nuke in some +HP gear too. The tunic shouldn't be *that* bad though. Try to maybe get in on a subligar farming party or something and just have them kill the NM instead, depending on where they're farming etc.

Ajase Bead Necklace: +30
Cassie Earring: +50
Physical Earring: +25
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By Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury 2009-10-27 20:52:10
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Dang, need 185 differential.

Edit: Ninina, Yeah I was thinking about that... 2 INT wouldn't hurt to sac for 10MAB lol...
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By Unicorn.Tarowyn 2009-10-27 20:52:27
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Ok, stat calculator is showing me 758 hp for a 55 mithra blm/rdm.

Looking above, fomor tunic + hairpin don't work together since tunic's a head/body slot item so only one, we'll assume emp pin maybe since that's -15. And serket should be only -50. So that comes out to -145.

758 - 145 = 613 * 4/3 = 818

So you would need +60 hp. For mithra, you can wear RSE body, raptor +1, and powerful rope for +67 hp with the loss of only 2 int (I think).

Think this math looks good, any thoughts?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury 2009-10-27 20:54:45
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Tarowyn: Yes, came to the same conclusion, throw in a few HP+ pieces in to force it. My 185 was actually from BLM54/WHM27, but it's close.

Edit: Trying to balance out the +HP pieces you two listed.
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By Unicorn.Tarowyn 2009-10-27 21:01:46
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The only thing I'm not sure about for this is because cassie/physical are both convert items I'm not sure if they'll work properly, just like how zenith lets you stay in white. And the necklace is only +20, just in case you're calcing that.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury 2009-10-27 21:04:35
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Unicorn.Tarowyn said:
The only thing I'm not sure about for this is because cassie/physical are both convert items I'm not sure if they'll work properly, just like how zenith lets you stay in white. And the necklace is only 20, just in case you're calcing that.


Oh right, I didn't even consider that. Hmm. Looking for purely HP+ pieces then. Like bloodbead and pigs.

Edit: Glad we have Sly Gauntlets, I'll just give them to her lol.
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