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 Odin.Dezaar
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By Odin.Dezaar 2011-04-07 11:28:35
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I currently have 3 daggers.

Twilight, DEX Kila and a AGI Kila.

Would is be recommenced that I go after the Triplus or focus on making a Daka +2?

Been researching and it appears Daka +2 with Twilight or Triplus Off Hand seems to be WIN.

Suggestion?
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By Asura.Karbuncle 2011-04-07 11:33:41
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Triplus is definitely something you want to get.

I really don't know about Daka, I know Rudra's isn't really -that- good unless you stack it with SA or TA (of course), Then its rather potent, but most of the time you'll be spamming Evisc, especially if you're low-manning. So i won't go into that too much :|
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By Odin.Dezaar 2011-04-07 11:36:10
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Well i'm leaning towards Twilight/Triplus set-up with situational AGI/EVA for tanking.
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By Asura.Eeek 2011-04-07 12:24:33
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Asura.Karbuncle said:
Triplus is definitely something you want to get.

I really don't know about Daka, I know Rudra's isn't really -that- good unless you stack it with SA or TA (of course), Then its rather potent, but most of the time you'll be spamming Evisc, especially if you're low-manning. So i won't go into that too much :|

This.

Rudra's Storm (stacked) is surprisingly nice outside of Abyssea, though.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-04-07 12:26:38
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Asura.Eeek said:
Asura.Karbuncle said:
Triplus is definitely something you want to get.

I really don't know about Daka, I know Rudra's isn't really -that- good unless you stack it with SA or TA (of course), Then its rather potent, but most of the time you'll be spamming Evisc, especially if you're low-manning. So i won't go into that too much :|

This.

Rudra's Storm (stacked) is surprisingly nice outside of Abyssea, though.

Is it really worth ever stacking SA/TA with a WS anymore?
Other than for epeen <_>
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By Remora.Laphine 2011-04-07 12:27:12
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Daka+2 is an ok option to go after imo. It is still has one of the best dps out there and you do get a nice ws to boot. If you can work on WoE trials quickly (some of my friends did theirs in a matter of an afternoon iirc) that's another strong pro argument for the weapon.

Of course there are still the other trials to think about, and getting twilight or triplus is instantaneous in comparison.
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By Asura.Eeek 2011-04-07 12:28:44
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Asura.Eeek said:
Asura.Karbuncle said:
Triplus is definitely something you want to get.

I really don't know about Daka, I know Rudra's isn't really -that- good unless you stack it with SA or TA (of course), Then its rather potent, but most of the time you'll be spamming Evisc, especially if you're low-manning. So i won't go into that too much :|

This.

Rudra's Storm (stacked) is surprisingly nice outside of Abyssea, though.

Is it really worth ever stacking SA/TA with a WS anymore?
Other than for epeen <_>

Generally speaking, I only stack weaponskills when my TP happens to line up with my SA or TA timers.

EDIT (@Laphine): Another plus for Daka +2 is the ease of doing the actual WoE trial. Coins of Birth are one of the easier types of coin to collect.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-04-07 12:29:55
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Asura.Eeek said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Asura.Eeek said:
Asura.Karbuncle said:
Triplus is definitely something you want to get.

I really don't know about Daka, I know Rudra's isn't really -that- good unless you stack it with SA or TA (of course), Then its rather potent, but most of the time you'll be spamming Evisc, especially if you're low-manning. So i won't go into that too much :|

This.

Rudra's Storm (stacked) is surprisingly nice outside of Abyssea, though.

Is it really worth ever stacking SA/TA with a WS anymore?
Other than for epeen <_>

Generally speaking, I only stack weaponskills when my TP happens to line up with my SA or TA timers.

You lose out on a higher chance to upgrade TH on the mob aswell tho <_>
But I guess that only really matters on nms :p
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By Asura.Eeek 2011-04-07 12:34:47
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Asura.Eeek said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Asura.Eeek said:
Asura.Karbuncle said:
Triplus is definitely something you want to get.

I really don't know about Daka, I know Rudra's isn't really -that- good unless you stack it with SA or TA (of course), Then its rather potent, but most of the time you'll be spamming Evisc, especially if you're low-manning. So i won't go into that too much :|

This.

Rudra's Storm (stacked) is surprisingly nice outside of Abyssea, though.

Is it really worth ever stacking SA/TA with a WS anymore?
Other than for epeen <_>

Generally speaking, I only stack weaponskills when my TP happens to line up with my SA or TA timers.

You lose out on a higher chance to upgrade TH on the mob aswell tho <_>
But I guess that only really matters on nms :p

Io be honest, I don't care much at all about the level of TH on a mob. I care much more about blue!! and grellow!! triggers! :p

Seriously though, I swing once with my TH gear (TH6), and then go to town with normal DD gear and daggers. Most mobs and NMs die so quickly that I rarely see TH go higher than 7 or 8.

Also, my TP does not line up with my SA or TA timers as often as I'd like. Stacked weaponskills are fun!
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2011-04-07 12:44:48
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Asura.Eeek said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Asura.Eeek said:
Asura.Karbuncle said:
Triplus is definitely something you want to get.

I really don't know about Daka, I know Rudra's isn't really -that- good unless you stack it with SA or TA (of course), Then its rather potent, but most of the time you'll be spamming Evisc, especially if you're low-manning. So i won't go into that too much :|

This.

Rudra's Storm (stacked) is surprisingly nice outside of Abyssea, though.

Is it really worth ever stacking SA/TA with a WS anymore?
Other than for epeen <_>

Generally speaking, I only stack weaponskills when my TP happens to line up with my SA or TA timers.

You lose out on a higher chance to upgrade TH on the mob aswell tho <_>
But I guess that only really matters on nms :p

Additional effects can proc on WSs, they just don't appear in the chat log.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-04-07 12:47:33
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Phoenix.Kirana said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Asura.Eeek said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Asura.Eeek said:
Asura.Karbuncle said:
Triplus is definitely something you want to get.

I really don't know about Daka, I know Rudra's isn't really -that- good unless you stack it with SA or TA (of course), Then its rather potent, but most of the time you'll be spamming Evisc, especially if you're low-manning. So i won't go into that too much :|

This.

Rudra's Storm (stacked) is surprisingly nice outside of Abyssea, though.

Is it really worth ever stacking SA/TA with a WS anymore?
Other than for epeen <_>

Generally speaking, I only stack weaponskills when my TP happens to line up with my SA or TA timers.

You lose out on a higher chance to upgrade TH on the mob aswell tho <_>
But I guess that only really matters on nms :p

Additional effects can proc on WSs, they just don't appear in the chat log.

Really? :o

Brainfart.
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By Kujata.Savain 2011-05-04 13:30:45
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1. Dagger wise, has any THF out there noticed a necessity for an EVA dagger outside abyssea with a healer? The only monster I can think of currently needing more EVA on is Feu, T2 doomed in Glacier/Xarca.

2. I know there's a debate between Triplus / STR Kila but I was wondering, what about the additional effect: defense down dagger? Would that beat both by increasing damage across the board?

When I added a thundersoul ring and a jupiter's pearl into my WS set I noticed Rudra's doing a lot more than with an airy ring / kemas earring. Is it possible that a DEX Kila would beat a STR kila offhand overall just through the WS boost?
(I remember Epona exists)

(I also noticed outside that Lithe < Hecatomb Leggings +1 and Warwolf may beat Cuchulain's Belt (still testing this))
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By Bismarck.Magnuss 2011-05-04 13:32:59
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That's not a kn-...

You know what?

No.

Nope, not derailing this one with that stupid Crocodile Dundee video.
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By Bismarck.Faelar 2011-06-10 23:00:04
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Which is the best dagger combo for someone with:

Twilight Knife
Auric Dagger
Triplus Dagger
Rapidus Sax
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By Bahamut.Weasel 2011-06-10 23:34:56
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Bismarck.Faelar said:
Which is the best dagger combo for someone with:

Twilight Knife
Auric Dagger
Triplus Dagger
Rapidus Sax

I'm not a THF, but highest base dmg is Twilight, so maybe main hand that? Offhand will probably be different based on your situation, but probably mostly Triplus or TH dagger.
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2011-06-10 23:36:05
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from what i understand auric dagger is garbage now (even for dnc)... so Twilight + triplus is really good
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By Bahamut.Weasel 2011-06-10 23:38:17
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Ifrit.Eikechi said:
from what i understand auric dagger is garbage now (even for dnc)... so Twilight + triplus is really good

I still use it from time to time on DNC. When I'm not spamming weapon skills or tanking something, but I'm worried about TP feed.
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2011-06-10 23:48:40
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Im stuck with augmented Yatahgans atm.
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By Lakshmi.Glaciont 2011-06-10 23:58:05
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Ifrit.Eikechi said:
from what i understand auric dagger is garbage now (even for dnc)... so Twilight + triplus is really good

.... how is auric garbage?? DW, lowish delay and subtle blow is noooice
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2011-06-11 00:04:46
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there are much better DPS daggers out there for both jobs.. like STR kilas or the empy or WoE daqggers...
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By Fenrir.Krazyrs 2011-06-11 06:27:29
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Quote:

Twilight Knife
Auric Dagger
Triplus Dagger
Rapidus Sax
auric/rapidus are garbage with those 4
would do twilight/triplus, unless needing th knife

i stick with my twilight/str-kila for DD
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2011-06-11 06:34:10
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The only time you should full-time TH knife offhand is when you are killing NQ mobs very quickly AND need TH (Dynamis/Limbus is the only thing that comes to mind). In these situations, switching off your TH knife on each mob and losing TP would hurt your DPS a lot. In most situations however, you can just hit the mob once with TH knife on, then switch to full DD gear.
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By Asura.Eeek 2011-06-11 07:24:47
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Bismarck.Faelar said:
Which is the best dagger combo for someone with:

Twilight Knife
Auric Dagger
Triplus Dagger
Rapidus Sax

If you don't want to pursue Magian/WoE/Empyrean daggers, Twilight/Triplus will serve you well with Auric as a utility dagger for reasons already discussed above.
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By Lakshmi.Dobbykk 2011-06-11 07:29:50
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Twilight/Triplus all the way.
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By Fenrir.Curty 2011-06-11 07:58:54
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Fenrir.Skarwind said:
Im stuck with augmented Yatahgans atm.

These are actually severely overlooked weapons. Very easy to get considering most people have mass dominion notes. Get a decent augment (like crit hit dmg+5~6% and DMG+6~8) and these instantly become a much better main hand option for DDing than any of the options you listed above.

It sounds funny but in abyssea dual wielding two of these can be a lethal dagger combo (+12% crit hit dmg is not joke now that there is no cap). And the eva+ on them is just a bonus!

Oh and /wave Skar
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By Gilgamesh.Katori 2011-06-17 13:11:07
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twilight/triplus best setup below empy or relics. i read somewhere that triplus has better dps.
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By Odin.Dezaar 2011-06-17 13:17:12
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Lakshmi.Dobbykk said:
Twilight/Triplus all the way.


Stop wasting time and just get your Twilight/Triplus setup.
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By Gilgamesh.Katori 2011-06-17 13:20:53
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Odin.Dezaar said:
Lakshmi.Dobbykk said:
Twilight/Triplus all the way.


Stop wasting time and just get your Twilight/Triplus setup.

and twilight drops like crazy and everytime i fought the mob that drops triplus it has.
 
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