Quietus

despite it being in abyssea, higher tier nms in heroes zones present a formidably high amount of defense, and tend to have reduced weaponskill numbers, so alfard might not be the best target to expect decent numbers against :/

Wow.... that grenade is cheap for what it does. Thanks for bringing it to my attention!! I didn't expect quietus to amaze me, however I did expect it to surpass guillotine/insurgency by quite a bit. I appreciate your help despite you being canadian (;3)


When I made Redemption I was under the impression that the "high defense mob" situations were where it would shine T.T

You can't have your colibri scythe and eat it too

I play with a Redemption DRK every day. Cata does consistently more damage and 5hits with superior gear sets.

To the people that said LOL:
One of the greatest flaws to DRK is the gear necessary to cap haste. Yes there are some decent att stats but it utterly lacks ACC and adds very little towards weaponskill frequency.

I'm really not seeing it, you can 5-hit both weapons, yea you have a slightly better gear selection with Apoc when you are 5-hitting but Redemption still has a lower Delay advantage, and higher ODD during the TP phase 5% from Apoc Vs. 35% from Redemption.

Also are you parsing or eyeballing? Are you both being equally buffed? Same food? Haste/Marches?

The only situation I see Apoc being top Tier right now is in Voidwatch and that is a very small portion of events right now.

Edit: Inside abyssea ACC is definatley not an issue, the ACC on Apoc is pretty worthless bar maybe a few heroes NMs and Flame Skimmer.

ACC becomes an issue (for DRK atleast) far before Heros NMs. (RR assumed as the only acc atma) Take your typical DRK 26% haste build and go swing at a Visions NM. It is also an issue during the new dynamis NMs and ofcourse VW. Whats your build for a 5hit Redemption? Pretty sure they all use Carbonara. (or arrabiatto that doesn't exist in enough quantity to make it a viable option)



Is my 5hit, Armadaberk has 3da 6stp, although on harder mobs I use



and 6hit

Valk has 2ta,5 zanshin

Even with those sets I still have to eat pizza on the harder mobs to cap acc.

I love the All-American Dance Factory! They drop some bomb-*** beats.

I don't have Redemption I gave up building it, i'm holding out for my Apoc getting a better upgrade, that and its still a strong weapon for VW and New Dynamis.

Idealy for a Redemption 5-Hit you could do something like this though.



Without Marches you have to keep Zelus Tiara up, but if you are recieving marches you can easily swap back into Bale +2 Head. This is with LR up though, once LR goes down with marches you should swap back to Zelus Tiara.

Altho inside abyssea im not too fond of a 5-hit, I don't like gear like tactical mantle and with a 25% Triple attack rate from Atma (I generally use RR, Apoc, A&O When I do use Apocalypse) there is a decent chance you are going to overflow with TP making the 5-hit kinda moot.

I generally support a 6-hit setup inside abyssea vs a 5-hit, but outside I support 5-hitting without a question.

Also im pretty damn positive your 100% wrong on the ACC issues, even on things like Orthrus and several other Heroes NMs im pretty positive I can easily Cap ACC on DRK with Caladbolg using the Ideal TP setup for DRK which has -acc on it (Legs/Feet), and we still have Diabolic Eye if you are hurting for ACC for some reason or another.

On visions content DRK definatley has absolutely no issues hitting the ACC cap on anything, pretty sure that goes for Scars as well.

I can do a few tests this week and pop a few NMs and parse my ACC altho right now all my attention has been on Ochain and I farm that on my NIN.

Also im pretty sure Calmecac will beat bale legs for an apoc setup in your sets. With Marches during LR even other DRKs can swap too Bale legs but i'm pretty positive Calmecac still wins.

Well played on the 5hit. That changed my numbers a bit but not a ton. The uncapped gear haste hurts with LR/Haste up but the 5hit helped. With marches it was close to an Apoc DRK. (545vs521dps inside, 228vs191dps out)

It takes a 450 eva mob in abyssea (RR,70Dex from cruor) to uncap that build. 370 eva on a mob outside.

430/330 eva for you standard Calabuild on your profile. (didn't run the high acc build)

i've never seen you do more than 2k quietus' in abyssea what're you talking about? lol

Taint, question about your valk body. Why rep armada(/jelly at perfect armada) with it on harder mobs?

Edit: ment to include: is the 10attack>11dex/10acc or am I over devalueing decreasing returns of da vs ta?

I might need to redo the numbers since getting the stp6da3 armada. I ran them vs a stp5da2 armada I had at the time. Since its a 6hit either way the ta was > the da. I'll run them now and edit the post.

Almost identical with Valk showing slightly better still. Doesn't include the +5 zanshin which would favor the valk even more.

Turn your filters off then noob!

I want to turn my filters ON, seeing your wimpy 1k quietus while you /war hurts me.

Have you tried using ada+ anguinus belt for this setup? You make back the accuracy you get with pizza, can use RCB gaining 100attack from that switch which should out do 2% TA probably. This would ofcourse be with LR up as you dont need the haste from the belt with proper support(bard+haste), can use DE or SE to make up for any loss in acc for the minute its down when you need to swap the belt back in to retain your haste.

Haven't used Anguinus belt but I can swap Adaberk,Abyssal and Firebomblet in as needed.

You lose more swapping in abyssal, as youll drop probably 25 attack or so and 3% DA, while goading is doing absolutely nothing for you, the stp it has is made back with swapping to your perfect ada unless the extra stp is actually doing something for you, which I doubt but never know.

Love the look of the valk set on alt. viewer though, looks great. Sadly ada doesnt look great on elvaans....

Well goading gives me the 16% in Haste more then anything. I rarely have marches on DRK but I like your idea. I could alter Spellcast for the BRD buffs/LR up.

if your trying to say torcleaver has not got the potential to hit 3.8k average then maybe this will settle your mind



i was DRK/SAM

I still can't understand how you can struggle to break 1k with Quietus in or outside abyssea. If you had told me that you struggle to break 3k outside i would have understand.

Target?

Any ws has potential to do high damage when you gimp your overall damage in favor of using atma to boost ws damage. 20% crit rate on the parse already points out that you werent using RR which is a huge hit to your overall damage.

To be fair, that's kinda what ppl with Quietus are doing. They claim that they average 2.5-3k inside abyssea. The person is just pointing out that under similar condition, Torcleaver would be averaging 3.7k is all.

I think Redemption has its value if you know how to use it. The strength of the weapon is not the WS, but the WS frequency. Instead of both Quietus and Torcleaver users trying to up their WS damage blindly with unique situation and atma setup so they can brag in the forum, they should realize that the two weapons are very identical in damage output in the end with Caladbolg edging very slightly.

when your riding last resort and delay cap then would it rely matter on your DoT dmg since you would be WS'ing so frequently? the higher WS dmg would more than make up for it imo

So, more haste = less melee hits? No.
RR is a fulltime atma, unless you'r just waiting for tp-regain then running in to ws >_>

Razed Ruins is not replaceable in any situation you are meleeing, if you think otherwise you are a Fail DD period and should be playing a mage job.

^ This

RR isn't replaceable if you melee.

Your average is good. Was it on NMs?

20% crit rate tells the story.