Quietus

This is win.

Id get the same on my quietus, 3-4k average with similar ws gear (minus the mnd rings) VV/GC/Apoc. ive heard /thf can increase its damage...but thats a gimp in and of itself :(

What mobs exactly are ppl comparing their averages on? 3-4k averages sound like either eyeballing or exp mobs or weaker NMs, fairy,frog,guku,gigas, mandy etc.

that's because that's the only thing people give a ***about drk for

Quite the opposite, a good drk that knows what they are doing and plays aggressive should have no problem keeping up with a war or monk within 5-10% damage or less on anything really defensive(Heroes wyrms,maybe a few of the heroes giants?, khim?), thats huge considering war had like a 40%+ damage gap over most jobs for most things.

Being able to hit the attack cap or come close to it on most high NMs and requiring minimal haste gear support under LR is a hugh advantage esp considering unless you carry with you a dnc at all events, pretty much means Drk is setting on a higher haste % over any job.

I know what the job can do, but that's not I was referring to. Most people just don't give a ***about it and would bring something like MNK, NIN, THF, WAR, etc.

40+% gap? i don't think that is by any means a typical situation between two decent players. to do 40% + over someone else is like not WSing at all or something lol.

Well in that case, my drk > your hair :3


Lot of things to factor in, and most of those things at the time favored Warrior above all.

They have warcry,berserk,bloodrage,warriors charge(not huge but good for epeen if you dont use it for tp), retaliators(extra tp gain) and a devastating critical ws(said to give 30% crit rate on ws on top of it being a str %)

If you see what drk has recieved, its only been the rightful LR update it needed years back. And if youve read they arent planning on unnerfing SE either one our best NM tools to use esp now with the HP update...

from what i have heard Caladbolg > Redemption for DRK, personally i average 3.8k Torcleaver (i call it "Ruby Cleaver") on DRK with a rare high of 9.2k average high of 5k-6k

and going by from what i heard from Redemption DRKs is they only average 2.5k ish and the WS really sucks

oh um, even worse outside abyssea where you stuggle to break 1k with lolQuietus and Torcleaver averages 2.5k

Quietus struggles to break 1k outside? Rofl, lmfao, lol!!

Nobody averages 3.8k Torcleaver even inside abyssea, nevermind Quietus struggling to break 1k outside Abyssea.

Don't argue with him, his torcleaver average is higher then anyones.

I think he is being sarcastic. The average we have heard from Quietus is insanely high without any sort of support mathematically (2-3k average really?). Torcleaver is a superior WS, but Redemption has better hit build and WS frequency. The two weapons are really about equal with Caladbolg being slightly better when considering minor stuff like souleater, endark etc where lower delay = more swings.

They Build TP at roughly the same exact speed if you are comparing Caladbolgs low 430 Delay 7-hit to a Redemption 502 Delay 6-hit, but Caladbolg is hitting 100 TP at the same speed as Redemptions 6-hit with an extra swing favoring aftermath more.

Friend of mine that has redemption told me it averages closer to 1.8-1.9k outside with Quietus, my Torcleavers do about 2.5k outside.

Inside my Torcleaver average is just a little over 3k 4-5k Spikes on Fodder mobs.

I gave up building redemption after speaking to a few people about the WS damage and seeing it in action a few times, im working on Ochain at the moment, maybe after im done ill start building the scythe again just to have it, though im hoping my Apoc gets a better update soon anyways.

not exactly the same speed. 7 hit caladbolg vs 6 hit redemption means 6 hit and 5 hit to 100% after the initial WS. All subsequent WSs are 6 x 430 = 2580 vs 5 x 502 = 2510. That's about 2.8% faster, very small difference. And when comparing caladbolg 6 hit vs redemption 5 hit, it is an even bigger difference.

lol/THF

The way I'm reading it it should be:

meh, was trying to call him out on it

seriously though, I wanna see pics <_<!

pics of 9.2k torcleaver /thief?

Apoc is actually the shit right now lol
If it gets even more ws damage boosts, it's going to be the best DRK weapon.

Apoc is the best DRK weapon ATM.

QFT

I cant stand my Apoc at the moment, it needs to be boosted again, its far from the best. You can argue tanking utility but i'd rather play a different job if i'm tanking, and inside abyssea with infinite MP for mages it makes the drain effect a rather pointless arguement.

ftfy

ive done those numbers /thf with torcleaver. i have a few pics of it on amun. i just didnt take any screenshots of my higher dmg ones. ive done 8k's and 9k's

Yeah, saw that vid of an apoc DRK and a RDM duoing KS99 behemoth, crazy.

Well Played!

The amount of people throwing eyeball averages in this thread is astonishing.

You're joking, right?

And I can duo ksnm99 behemoth with mnk and whm, so what?