Apoc Dead?
Apoc dead?
Pretty sure with the update Apoc is all but dead in the DD world, DRK shifting more towards a low man tank roll? I don't see it keeping up with 5hit OAT SAM 5Hit Amano or to any degree unless they allow Cata to break Haste Tier. Simple fact is, DRK can't keep up with WAR or SAM by just giving us increased Crit dmg....
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I wouldn't call it "dead" by any stretch of the imagination...
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If Quietus is as strong as the other empyrean weaponskills....
Yeah... the fact that other DDs have it much easier capping gear haste does really suck for Apoc. The haste "advantage" Apoc users once had is kinda gone now... =/
And I don't really see SE increasing gear haste cap, nor do I see SE allowing Cata to break haste cap.
I really wish SE would at least start by increasing Last resort's duration to 3 minutes...
There's no way that that can break DRK these days, if anything, I actually see it as a necessity to increase last resort's duration now.
And I don't really see SE increasing gear haste cap, nor do I see SE allowing Cata to break haste cap.
I really wish SE would at least start by increasing Last resort's duration to 3 minutes...
There's no way that that can break DRK these days, if anything, I actually see it as a necessity to increase last resort's duration now.
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I think with next update OAT Scythe will be able to out parse Apoc in most situations sadly, but in the same sense its kinda good, SE allowing knowledgeable DD's to compete/parse higher then dumb relic users is a good step in the game imo
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Fenrir.Mankey said:
I spy a Bellicose Mantle.
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whoops lol STP mantle
Bahamut.Serj said:
I wouldn't call it "dead" by any stretch of the imagination...
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Other DDs capping gear haste (and SAM doesn't even need to /DRG) is pretty bad news for DRK too, since that was Apoc's big draw.
If you keep up with the ToM that raise their stats you will still endup owning the highest DMG weapon along with the additionale buffs and occasional damage boost.
At lvl 99 Apoc will probably endup with something like 40 Accuracy on it alone, meaning you will be able to access different armor options to reach haste cap, buff STP trait etc.
Apoc's WS has always and only been good for that 1 reason, meaning if new and better ways of hitting cap become available you will be finally free to use other {better} WS and see higher DMG results proc.
I know people say the OAT weps are pretty close to relics, especially now that haste is easier to cap (as you said), but that would be the only instance where I could see it being "dead". Comparing it to other relics, to me, doesn't kill it, as they are all top of the line weapons and hard to obtain. Only if something that is massively easier to obtain and better would really kill it.
Even then, it (Apoc) will always have some sort of use, right? ._.
Edit: this was directed at Mankey and Night~
Even then, it (Apoc) will always have some sort of use, right? ._.
Edit: this was directed at Mankey and Night~
Those "WS Killing blow" x 1500 & x 2000 ToM sure suck though, as if building a relic wasn't enough of a time sink :(
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I will never understand everyone's fascination with Apocalypse.
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They could make the level 99 version of relics some sort of 'final version' or something, adding more stats, a HQ, or adding TotM trials, which is likely. Also, don't relics have a hidden effect of an occasional 2-4x dmg boost depending on the weapon?
Apoc has blind, discussion over!
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Bahamut.Serj said:
I know people say the OAT weps are pretty close to relics, especially now that haste is easier to cap (as you said), but that would be the only instance where I could see it being "dead". Comparing it to other relics, to me, doesn't kill it, as they are all top of the line weapons and hard to obtain. Only if something that is massively easier to obtain and better would really kill it.
Even then, it (Apoc) will always have some sort of use, right? ._.
Edit: this was directed at Mankey and Night~
Even then, it (Apoc) will always have some sort of use, right? ._.
Edit: this was directed at Mankey and Night~
Phoenix.Kojo said:
They could make the level 99 version of relics some sort of 'final version' or something, adding more stats, a HQ, or adding TotM trials, which is likely. Also, don't relics have a hidden effect of an occasional 2-4x dmg boost depending on the weapon?
wait the aftermath on CATA (the haste boost) is "gear haste" technically? I thought it was non-JA magic haste, that would bring you to the 80 cap with haste (spell) and 2x march....
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
wait the aftermath on CATA (the haste boost) is "gear haste" technically? I thought it was non-JA magic haste, that would bring you to the 80 cap with haste (spell) and 2x march....
Counts as gear haste.
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Ifrit.Eikechi said:
wait the aftermath on CATA (the haste boost) is "gear haste" technically? I thought it was non-JA magic haste, that would bring you to the 80 cap with haste (spell) and 2x march....
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
wait the aftermath on CATA (the haste boost) is "gear haste" technically? I thought it was non-JA magic haste, that would bring you to the 80 cap with haste (spell) and 2x march....
should of got urself an Aegis instead w
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I didn't realize it was gear haste...no wonder they are cutting themselves now lol
Siren.Enternius said:
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
wait the aftermath on CATA (the haste boost) is "gear haste" technically? I thought it was non-JA magic haste, that would bring you to the 80 cap with haste (spell) and 2x march....
Eikechi makes a funny post in every thread, I /salute thee.
Just for the Record, Quietus is incredibly powerful. Triple Damage that Ignores Defense, with about the same fTP as a 300TP Spiral Hell. It's right up there with Fudo, in terms of "WTF STRONG?!" Except it also benefits from DRK's ability to deliver exceptional power on a single blow. You're looking at a weapon skill that really has a hard time coming in under 2500 on Abyssea mobs, with Atmas, you're looking at a weapon skill that can one-shot the Roaming Avatars like Jala.
Phoenix.Lithical said:
Eikechi makes a funny post in every thread, I /salute thee.
I try...I try, but I don't try to troll... i do try to keep it informed 99% of the time :P
Why not just use 23% haste in gear and use guillotine?
Odin.Sheelay said:
Haste takes time to proc
Odin.Zicdeh said:
Just for the Record, Quietus is incredibly powerful. Triple Damage that Ignores Defense, with about the same fTP as a 300TP Spiral Hell. It's right up there with Fudo, in terms of "WTF STRONG?!" Except it also benefits from DRK's ability to deliver exceptional power on a single blow. You're looking at a weapon skill that really has a hard time coming in under 2500 on Abyssea mobs, with Atmas, you're looking at a weapon skill that can one-shot the Roaming Avatars like Jala.
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