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 Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-07-18 02:49:11
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So I made 3 possible setups to TP in and it seems full Perle provides the most haste and acc. How can this be true? I just got my Byakko's Haidate and now it's of no use?

Set 1:


Set 2:


Set 3:


*Reminder this is for War only*
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By Bismarck.Magnumatic 2010-07-18 02:56:19
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Set 3 > 1 > 2
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By Asura.Knightofdragon 2010-07-18 02:56:48
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Set 3
Change the Gaxe to Enk/Predu/ New Lv80 Gxe
Change the Iota Ring to Raja's
Change body to Haubergon+1 they're cheap now like 700k-900k
and feet get Aurum
Then i'd say your look good, Only DRG shld wear full Perle, Set2 has no value
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By Fairy.Basilo 2010-07-18 02:57:35
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"seems full Perle provides the most haste" Add them up again youre wrong lol.
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By Shiva.Daimos 2010-07-18 02:57:47
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It'll be awhile before Kitty pants are snuffed out completely.
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By Fenrir.Tool 2010-07-18 03:01:04
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Full Perle gives 14% total haste with set bonus.
Turban + NQ dusk gloves + Kitty pants + NQ dusk boots/Aurum boots add up to a total of 15% haste. 16% if you're within Unicorn latent on boots.

Overall, mixed set with kitty pants is best unless you're in a situation where accuracy becomes an issue. In which case, go for full Perle.
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By Bismarck.Magnumatic 2010-07-18 03:03:17
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Fenrir.Tool said:
Full Perle gives 14% total haste with set bonus. Turban + NQ dusk gloves + Kitty pants + NQ dusk boots/Aurum boots add up to a total of 15% haste. 16% if you're within Unicorn latent on boots. Overall, mixed set with kitty pants is best unless you're in a situation where accuracy becomes an issue. In which case, go for full Perle.

What he said..

If you're using an A+ weapon.. Accuracy shouldn't be an issue..

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By Fenrir.Tool 2010-07-18 03:04:15
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Bismarck.Magnumatic said:
Fenrir.Tool said:
Full Perle gives 14% total haste with set bonus. Turban + NQ dusk gloves + Kitty pants + NQ dusk boots/Aurum boots add up to a total of 15% haste. 16% if you're within Unicorn latent on boots. Overall, mixed set with kitty pants is best unless you're in a situation where accuracy becomes an issue. In which case, go for full Perle.

What he said..

If you're using an A+ weapon.. Accuracy shouldn't be an issue..


Plus there's always pizza ^.^
Now if only SE would give it to us by the slice... /dream
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By Ramuh.Lorzy 2010-07-18 03:05:51
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i would do turban, haub(+1), dusk gloves, byakko's, perle or dusk +1 or aurum feet. 1-2 more haste (2 with hq dusk feet, not considering hq hands) than full perle, and about the same acc when you consider the acc from dex.
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By Shiva.Daimos 2010-07-18 03:06:05
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Fenrir.Tool said:
Bismarck.Magnumatic said:
Fenrir.Tool said:
Full Perle gives 14% total haste with set bonus. Turban + NQ dusk gloves + Kitty pants + NQ dusk boots/Aurum boots add up to a total of 15% haste. 16% if you're within Unicorn latent on boots. Overall, mixed set with kitty pants is best unless you're in a situation where accuracy becomes an issue. In which case, go for full Perle.

What he said..

If you're using an A+ weapon.. Accuracy shouldn't be an issue..


Plus there's always pizza ^.^
Now if only SE would give it to us by the slice... /dream



SE, take note damnit!
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-07-18 03:15:04
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Fairy.Basilo said:
"seems full Perle provides the most haste" Add them up again youre wrong lol.
Set 1 says it adds up to +29% haste whereas set 3 is +24%
It may just be this site isn't adding it up right.

Set 2 was a goof, I just realized nothing really changed except pants, don't laugh but it was originally askar head.
Asura.Knightofdragon said:
Set 3
Change the Gaxe to Enk/Predu/ New Lv80 Gxe
Change the Iota Ring to Raja's
Change body to Haubergon+1 they're cheap now like 700k-900k
and feet get Aurum
Then i'd say your look good, Only DRG shld wear full Perle, Set2 has no value
1. Slowly working on that, gotta kill 100 beetles lol
2. Can't get Raja's, got Sattva Ring for my PLD instead
3. Which would be better hauberk+1 or hauby+1?
4. work in progress lol, gears don't like me

Adding it up by hand, set 3 has more haste. 19% vs 18%.
Why are the sets telling me 29 and 24?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-07-18 03:17:06
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Shiva.Daimos said:
Fenrir.Tool said:
Bismarck.Magnumatic said:
Fenrir.Tool said:
Full Perle gives 14% total haste with set bonus. Turban + NQ dusk gloves + Kitty pants + NQ dusk boots/Aurum boots add up to a total of 15% haste. 16% if you're within Unicorn latent on boots. Overall, mixed set with kitty pants is best unless you're in a situation where accuracy becomes an issue. In which case, go for full Perle.

What he said..

If you're using an A+ weapon.. Accuracy shouldn't be an issue..


Plus there's always pizza ^.^
Now if only SE would give it to us by the slice... /dream



SE, take note damnit!

I just took my war from 75-78 tonight in Abyssea eating pizza+1, worked very nicely! ^^
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By Shiva.Daimos 2010-07-18 03:33:36
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I would suggest Hauby+1 over berk+1 because as you said you have PLD as well
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-07-18 03:37:18
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Shiva.Daimos said:
I would suggest Hauby+1 over berk+1 because as you said you have PLD as well
Isn't that only used for WS for pld though?

I use Hecatomb Harness for WS's.
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By Shiva.Daimos 2010-07-18 03:40:48
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More so for TPing than WS, but since you mentioned heca harness I assume you aren't using atonement.

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By Ramuh.Lorzy 2010-07-18 03:41:45
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Leviathan.Chaosx said:

1. Slowly working on that, gotta kill 100 beetles lol
2. Can't get Raja's, got Sattva Ring for my PLD instead
3. Which would be better hauberk+1 or hauby+1?
4. work in progress lol, gears don't like me

Adding it up by hand, set 3 has more haste. 19% vs 18%.
Why are the sets telling me 29 and 24?

3) hauberk+1 and haubergeon+1 are the same damage wise, haub has more eva-. haubergeon +1 is equippable by more jobs, so i'd say it depends on what jobs you play.



btw, i believe you actually get MORE accuracy from turban/haub+1/dusk hands/byakko's/perle feet than from full perle... even more acc if you get aurum feet. nq haub would be a bit less than full perle.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-07-18 03:57:53
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Shiva.Daimos said:
More so for TPing than WS, but since you mentioned heca harness I assume you aren't using atonement.

Nah still climbing, on floor 26 with idk 3-4k pts towards it.
Ramuh.Lorzy said:
Leviathan.Chaosx said:

1. Slowly working on that, gotta kill 100 beetles lol
2. Can't get Raja's, got Sattva Ring for my PLD instead
3. Which would be better hauberk+1 or hauby+1?
4. work in progress lol, gears don't like me

Adding it up by hand, set 3 has more haste. 19% vs 18%.
Why are the sets telling me 29 and 24?

3) hauberk+1 and haubergeon+1 are the same damage wise, haub has more eva-. haubergeon +1 is equippable by more jobs, so i'd say it depends on what jobs you play.



btw, i believe you actually get MORE accuracy from turban/haub+1/dusk hands/byakko's/perle feet than from full perle... even more acc if you get aurum feet. nq haub would be a bit less than full perle.
This item set says 36 acc from full perle versus 26. So idk I don't think it's adding it up right.
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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-07-18 06:02:33
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Asura.Knightofdragon said:
Set 3
Change the Gaxe to Enk/Predu/ New Lv80 Gxe
Change the Iota Ring to Raja's
Change body to Haubergon+1 they're cheap now like 700k-900k
and feet get Aurum
Then i'd say your look good, Only DRG shld wear full Perle, Set2 has no value

This man has it right (except full perle works well for DRK too).

Basically WAR ideal gear hasn't changed much since the update:

GA (One of the new Axes ideally)/Pole//Bomblet or Core
Turban/PCC/fowling/brutal
Hauby +1/Dusk/Rajas/Acc or Blitz
Foragers or Cuch/Haste belt/Byakkos/Aurum

Obvious upgades (e.body, dusk+1, cerb+1) excluded this is about the best there is. The few options are put in to cover Aggressor Up/Down.
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By Lynxblade 2010-07-18 06:17:11
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, said:


Not even drg should wear full set of perle, still prefer homam hands legs boots,walmart , with askar body for tping in still better for drg imo, drg gets 22acc for being a drg alone, so there fine with not much acc in tping (not confirmed yet, but supposedly drg gets acc bonus 3 which i think is like 30+).
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By Valefor.Xiga 2010-07-18 06:45:43
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As mentioned above, almost nothing has changed for WAR since the update. Do not even think about replacing B. Haidate, 15 DEX out of one slot is unique. I would take Perle feet over dusk, just for a solid DEX build which helps with critical hits and accuracy. ;)

Armed Gears can be a pain lol, took me forever to get my Aurum feet (which finally dropped of Achamoth).

In general: For WAR without Haidate full Perle set is good.
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By Ragnarok.Flippant 2010-07-18 10:34:29
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Lynxblade said:
Only DRG shld wear full Perle, Set2 has no value

Not even drg should wear full set of perle, still prefer homam hands legs boots,walmart , with askar body for tping in still better for drg imo, drg gets 22acc for being a drg alone, so there fine with not much acc in tping (not confirmed yet, but supposedly drg gets acc bonus 3 which i think is like 30+).

Tired of hearing this. Why do people want to forfeit better stats? Is it because you look better in Homam?

Of course, if you're depending on Askar Korazin for your 6-hit, then I can understand, as otherwise you'd need Stingray (STP path), or Goading Belt to maintain true hit, or Rose Strap or White Tathlum for a decent fake 6-hit (Rajas+Brutal only means you need to land all hits of Drakesbane). Of course, you could always use Perle set if you got full return on Drakesbane, or Askar if you miss a hit.

But don't tell DRGs they shouldn't wear full Perle just because you think they don't need any accuracy (there is other gear you can sub out if you don't need accuracy anyway).

Standard DRG

Summary: STR+5 Attack+12(15.75) Accuracy+13 Haste+14% Store TP+5

Perle

Summary: STR+22 DEX+14 Attack+25(41.5) Accuracy+18(28.5) Haste+14% Crit+2%

Is the choice really that hard to understand? Sure you lose 2% DA from Pole Grip if you need to use Rose now, but it's well worth it.

For comparison's sake:

Standard WAR

Summary: STR+6 DEX+24 Attack+22(26.5) Accuracy+17(35/29) Haste+15%

Standard DRK

Summary: STR+6 DEX+6 Attack+12(16.5) Accuracy+25(29.5) Haste+14%


Sorry if I made any mistakes, but generally: if you don't have Adaman Hauberk, Byakko's Haidate, and/or Dusk+1, Perle set will be best for DRK WAR DRG and SAM (and melee BST?).
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By Ramuh.Herrmann 2010-07-18 10:40:52
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SAM? Are we forgetting fumas have 3% haste? Also Unicorn boots have 3% haste.
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By Ragnarok.Flippant 2010-07-18 10:41:30
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I said without Byakko's Haidate.

Edit: Err, and of course unless you need the STP for x-hit, sorry. I'm not SAM myself, I don't know much about their STP needs ;(

Edit again: Rose/Brutal/Rajas/Ecphoria would keep 6-hit on 450 delay without needing to WS in Ecphoria.
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By Asura.Calatilla 2010-07-21 00:21:17
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Im curious since I don't have kitty pants yet...

Would this...



Be better than this?

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By Fenrir.Mankey 2010-07-21 00:26:10
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yep, Become a clone trooper and like it !
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By Asura.Solara 2010-07-21 19:02:50
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Asura.Calatilla said:
Im curious since I don't have kitty pants yet...

Would this...



Be better than this?


I have no idea how you could make it to the bottom of this thread and still ask this question. Your set is unquestionably worse that the examples perle was already shown to beat.
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By Sylph.Bouncingflea 2010-07-21 19:48:55
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Ragnarok.Flippant said:


Perle

Summary: STR+22 DEX+14 Attack+25(41.5) Accuracy+18(28.5) Haste+14% Crit+2%

Is the choice really that hard to understand? Sure you lose 2% DA from Pole Grip if you need to use Rose now, but it's well worth it.

Perle pretty much beats anything out there for tping as far as drg is concerned. Assuming you can get a Goading Belt, all you need is a Rajas and a Brutal earing on a 492 delay pole and you got a true 6-hit. Besides, who wouldn't want to be able to tp on drg with an obtainable +30 str
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2010-07-21 20:26:52
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Regarding the OP, set #2 isn't worth considering, if you have set #1 and set #3 available, which it sounds like you do.

Set #3 is slightly better than set #1. A lot of people may try to tell you set #3 is vastly superior to set #1, but the two are closer than most people care to recognize.

Set #3 is 19% haste with 42 total accuracy (22 DEX).
Set #1 is 18% haste with 48 total accuracy (17 DEX).

So again, set #3 is the best choice, but with no apologies to the haters, set #1 (full Perle) is only a sliver worse.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-07-21 20:31:08
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Set 3 could even be improved on by using Perle feet.
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