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Why I left CorsairShip (aka Zannefair)
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By Titan.Gerrard 2010-06-02 00:21:33
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EDIT: You may want to skip the big wall of text and just read my later synopsis. This has been requested by several friends of mine ingame, and it is posted mostly for their benefit. In the words of one poster in this thread, this is the lamest rage-quit ever, so you may not want to read it.

FURTHER EDIT: Removed some tells of a marginally related third party on request.


On my honor, word, trustworthiness, etc., these logs have not been altered to favor one side or the other. I apologize for the massive wall of text, but some people have wanted to know.

#### All from the logs of Gerrard, of Titan,

Laurianna>> rON ,LOGGED , THO zANNE HAS A PLAN
>>Laurianna : CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
Laurianna>> sorrys caps >.<
>>Laurianna : BUT EVEN WITH CRUISE CONTROL, YOU STILL HAVE TO STEER
Laurianna>> lol
Zannefair>> got 6 one is cyn sam one is kang mnk
>>Zannefair : ok, i can go now, or later,
Zannefair>> sp go sam u go smn? or u go drg he go rdm
Zannefair>> later need 2 hrs and cyn starving gonna get food
Zannefair>> but need to decide jobs figgered i'd ask u
>>Zannefair : sure, i'm sure we can probably make something work
Zannefair>> cyn sam kang mnk
Zannefair>> u smn?
>>Zannefair : sam mnk whm kang sp gerr
>>Zannefair : hmm,
Zannefair>> kang mnk
>>Zannefair : sam mnk whm sp gerr laur (pld or sam?)
Zannefair>> sam mnk sam smn whm rdm
Zannefair>> no pld
Zannefair>> nonono
Zannefair>> dont need
Zannefair>> need killers
>>Zannefair : someone has to do the kiting,
>>Zannefair : i'm sure we can work something out
Zannefair>> u smn
Zannefair>> i am
Zannefair>> now
Zannefair>> only question is u smn or drg
Zannefair>> and sp sam or rdm
>>Zannefair : we'll talk about it later with everyone
Zannefair>> can have 1 whm 2 rdms
Zannefair>> or 1 whm 1 smn 1 rdm
>>Zannefair : my drg does more damage than sp's sam though, i think,
Zannefair>> no
Zannefair>> im not talkn bout it w everyone
Zannefair>> im whm cyn is sam
>>Zannefair : why not?
Zannefair>> and kang is mnk
Zannefair>> cuz most dont know
Zannefair>> u know cyn knows
Zannefair>> u like commttees
Zannefair>> i like decisions lol
Zannefair>> we know who mostly
>>Zannefair : yes, you do, and i don't like that part of you
Zannefair>> only real question is u drg or someone sam
>>Zannefair : considering that sometimes a discussion of 6 people can make facts known to me
>>Zannefair : that i might not otherwise know
Zannefair>> well *** u ger we can get someone else lmao
>>Zannefair : i don't know everything
>>Zannefair : ok, good day
Zannefair>> y we need a freakn committee
Zannefair>> didnt say i did
Zannefair>> just need to make a decision thats all
>>Zannefair : you know, i don't like it when you say "*** you" to me
Zannefair>> committees take 3x as long
>>Zannefair : it hurts my feelings, and it's a sign of disrespect
Zannefair>> and mostly ppl dont care
>>Zannefair : you should not talk to people like that
Zannefair>> u make them care but they dont
Zannefair>> ha
Zannefair>> u drive me nuts
Zannefair>> u know that
Zannefair>> u make a big deal committee outta every freakn thing
Zannefair>> and u piss ppl off
Zannefair>> YEA kang got his bb
Zannefair>> awesome
Zannefair>> ok u decide on ur own u b drg or u b smn lemme know
Zannefair>> talk to sp and lauri im out of it cyn kang and i DO NOT CARE ok???
Zannefair>> going to get food
>>Zannefair : i'm sorry that you're in a bad mood
Zannefair>> no ime not ger
Zannefair>> u just wanna complicate things alla time
>>Zannefair : i don't understand why you are so angry, i merely asked to consult th other people to ask
>>Zannefair : what their good jobs are
>>Zannefair : and strategy
Zannefair>> cyn kang and i r set u 3 decide w/e u wish
Zannefair>> u decide
Zannefair>> we do same way alla time
>>Zannefair : then you told me to *** off, i do not appreciate that
Zannefair>> 1 person pulls 3 ppl kill and 2 ppl heal
>>Zannefair : you should not talk to people like that, it's disrespectable,
Zannefair>> we dont have 3 smns
>>Zannefair : adult people do not act like that
Zannefair>> o hell ger
Laurianna>> what do you want me as ?? better if SP is Rdm, but what you say is fine with me
Zannefair>> get the dam stick out of ur ***
Zannefair>> and b a real person
Zannefair>> go talk to lauri n sp
Zannefair>> i do not care what jobs u all r
Zannefair>> u know what cyn kang and i will b see u at 10
>>Zannefair : i do not appreciate being told to *** off and told to take a stick out of my ***
Zannefair>> i gotta get food
>>Zannefair : when i am acting reasonably here
Zannefair>> i
Zannefair>> d
>>Zannefair : it is offensive,
Zannefair>> c
Zannefair>> grow up
Zannefair>> if u dont want me to ge pissed off
Zannefair>> dont piss me off
Zannefair>> like u pissed off mrfrodo and ssarah and who knows who else
Zannefair>> just go deal w it
>>Zannefair : please explain how i pissed you off so i may not in the future, i believe i was quite nice and polite
Zannefair>> b back at 10
Zannefair>> u decide
Zannefair>> by not answering my question and saying we couldnt decide
Zannefair>> we COULD decide
Zannefair>> but u want a committee
Zannefair>> we dont need one
>>Zannefair : and this is somehow equivalent to telling me to "*** off"
Zannefair>> go decide w out me i gotta go get food
Zannefair>> brb
>>Zannefair : you believe that's an appropriate reply?
Zannefair>> ger
Zannefair>> go away

#### Some time later in CorsairShip /l chat.

<Gerrard> so, how do i approach telling a friend of mine that it's not ok to tell me to "*** off"
<Gerrard> when
<Gerrard> when i suggest we wait and ask in the group of 6 strat and job assignments?
<Sirjuergen> just like that
<Gerrard> i'm kind of puzzled at the moment,
<Gerrard> they were not exceptionally clear on this point,
<Saanen> You flat out say, "It's not okay to tell me to *** off."
<Gerrard> but they said "*** off" "grow up" etc.,
<Gerrard> i kind of did,
<Sirjuergen> exactly Saan lol
<Gerrard> not making much headway
<Saanen> lol
Gerrard : ï'Raiseï( ï'Do you need it?ï(
<Saanen> Tell them that is not the way to talk to anyone, and you won't have anything further to say until
<Saanen> they apologize.
Babel>> ï'Yes, please.ï(
<Sirjuergen> tell them to pay for months fee to play if they gonna just stand around and not explain what they want or need
<Gerrard> well, unfortunately this is someone who i don't tihnk will apologize
<Gerrard> if i give them such an ultimatatum
<Gerrard> ultimatum*
<Saanen> Then I guess you have to decide if it really IS okay for them to tell you to *** off.
<Gerrard> i guess so,
<Gerrard> my problem is that this person is Zannefair
<Saanen> Ah...
<Sirjuergen> it's NEVER ok to tell anybody that
<Saanen> I wouldn'
<Saanen> t take that from anyone.

## minutes later

<Gerrard> so, i'm not sure what to say to z
<Gerrard> meh,
<Tcwilliams> F85+ ï'Can I have it?ï(....
<Cynric> z has been logged off for 20min ger, shes off getting food
<Gerrard> i know,
<Sirjuergen> as soon as i get there you can get it Tc lol
<Gerrard> catch any of that cyn
<Tcwilliams> XD
<Gerrard> what do i say to her to let her now it's not ok to tell me to *** off for suggesting we wait for the rest to decide
<Gerrard> jobs and strat?
<Cynric> not really, all i know is she asked you a question, or thought she asked you a question and she felt like
<Cynric> you told her ask a committee
<Gerrard> and if i did?
<Cynric> but lol, idc, just play nice
<Laurianna> gerr i said Ill do whatever job you want me on
<Cynric> it hurts her head, she just wants an answer, even a bad answer
<Gerrard> well, i won't put up with this
<Cynric> your asking her for strat.... thats not what she does well
<Gerrard> i was incredibly civil, nice, etc
<Cynric> nothing to put up with ger
<Gerrard> and she told me to *** off,
<Cynric> you have no social skills, you know that
<Gerrard> she told me to *** off and grow up, verbatim
<Gerrard> i know enough that i was entirely not at fault in this situation
<Cynric> idk, she was pretty spun up
<Gerrard> i can send you the lgo if you don't believe me
<Gerrard> i have it saved
<Cynric> i just put on the headphones and ignored ffxi for a few minutes
<Tammyxx> ï'/clapï(
<Tammyxx> gerr
<Cynric> its really not worth fighting about
<Tammyxx> its a game
<Sirjuergen> ooo i gotta try that Cyn
<Gerrard> tammyxx, the flaw in your reasoning is thus: if i was playing soccer, and a teammate told me to *** off
<Tcwilliams> btw, someone is shouting for ï'Nyzul Isleï(45+ 5/6 if anyone needs it
<Cynric> you were asking her to make decisions that were outside her comfort zone, she just wants to show up and heal people
<Gerrard> for talking about strat before the game
<Gerrard> we wold not be having this conversation
<Mebiont> trolls lvl7 if any1 cares
<Gerrard> no, she was asking me for job choices cyn,
<Cynric> idk then
<Gerrard> and then told me to *** off when i said "could we just wait until we get everyone together?"
<Laurianna> wow I do want anyone fighting oin this ... just a game ^^ I just would like to do this correctly and win
<Gerrard> indeed, but i won't put up with being told to *** off from my friends,
<Cynric> just plan on z as whm and me on sam
<Cynric> i can bring ninja or thf if you prefer, but lol on that...
<Sirjuergen> whatcha guys into?
<Gerrard> doing shantotto final fight in a bit
<Cynric> she is just feeling the pressure, wants a win
<Gerrard> and z blew up in tell at me, not sure why
<Sirjuergen> nice gl
<Gerrard> ï'/bowï(
<Trisscar> gl
<Cynric> anyway, she is back, so lets drop this
<Gerrard> well, no, as i said, i won't put up with my friends thinking it's ok to tell me to "*** off" and "grow up"
<Gerrard> so we can take this off /l if you want
<Tammyxx> lol
<Gerrard> but i don't plan on dropping this
<Tcwilliams> ï'See you again!ï( ï'everyoneï(
<Tammyxx> gerr what do you hope to gain from this
<Gerrard> see you tc
<Cynric> ger.. *** off (lol)
Laurianna>> Gerr would "im sorry " from me work?? zanne does blow up from time time and does not mean it ??
<Armon> man I keep trying to sign up for a union and NPCs are relentless wit the buffs ><
<Liltearani> >.>
>>Cynric : there is a limit to what i will tolerate from z for your benefit

#### some minutes later

Cynric>> sometimes you just gotta tune out
>>Cynric : listen man, she apologizes to this, in /l, or i'm leaving shell i think
Cynric>> you drug it to /l she didnt
>>Cynric : in her own words "i'm not caring at the moment"
Cynric>> idk, maybe she just wasnt happy
>>Cynric : then she apologizes
>>Cynric : and everyone is happy
Cynric>> im not sure what she should be appologizing for
>>Cynric : telling me to *** off and grow up,
>>Cynric : entirely unprovoked
Cynric>> it probably wasnt unprovoked, just one of those things when people argue
Cynric>> it escalates little by little
>>Cynric : it was entirely unprovoked, i can send you log , you are not twisting it back around to me today
>>Cynric : there was no arguing
>>Cynric : there was z asking what jobs, me "could we wait until we get everyone and decide then?"
>>Cynric : then z: "*** off"
Cynric>> idk
>>Cynric : ugg, goddamnit, now i have to find a not-gimp not-elite shell,
Zannefair>> ur absolutely right
Cynric>> you dont have to
Cynric>> just learn to ignore
Zannefair>> i apologise for useing curse words when plain simple english would do
Added to blacklist.

#### That's /blacklist add Zannefair

>>Cynric : i'll still help out with laur tonight in 10 min
Cynric>> ok

#### some time later

Cynric>> you have her blisted?
>>Cynric : yes
Cynric>> you missed an appology, dont know how to help you
>>Cynric : i caught the first line where it was "sorry i cursed instead of using other english words"
>>Cynric : then i blisted her
>>Cynric : tell me when she recognizes she was being a *** and was entirely wrong
>>Cynric : which i know will never happen,
Cynric>> you are making more of a fight than it has to be
>>Cynric : perhaps,

#### Eventually won Shantotto final fight for Laurianna, with Zannefair temporarily off blacklist

#### Some time later

<Gerrard> yo guys,
<Bidan> /
<Gerrard> sorry to do this to you, but i will not play with z anymore, so she goes or i go
<Vortis> ï'Salvageï(
<Gerrard> you can decide,
<Gerrard> just thought i'd stay on until you made a decision
<Bidan> what happend?
<Gerrard> i'm also leaving corsairship
<Bidan> wow? did i missi somehting?
<Bidan> what happend gerr?
<Gerrard> she told me to *** off and told me to grow up in /tell a bit ago, entirely unprovoked
<Gerrard> and she apparently thinks she has done nothing wrong
<Gerrard> i will not tolerate this
<Vortis> so apologize to him then
<Bidan> yeah and lets move on
<Bidan> more important things
<Gerrard> i've just had it with her attitude, that she's misses perfect, rules don't apply to her, hypocritical *** self
<Gerrard> telling me to *** off is completely over the line
<Vortis> she took off ls?
<Gerrard> her replly before i blisted her: "i'm sorry, i shouldn't have used curse words, i should have used regular english words
<Bidan> meh i feel alot of the stuff on the shell is BS
<Bidan> but i do it cause some good peeps in teh shell
<Bidan> so i dont leave
<Gerrard> i'm sorry, i won't stay where such flagrant disrespect is allowed
<Vortis> that wasnt enough of an apology i guess?
<Gerrard> hell no,
<Gerrard> missed the entire point
<Bidan> nothing z will say will change gerr mind
<Gerrard> "i'm sorry for using vulgar words telling you off, "
<Gerrard> not "i'm sorry for telling you off when it was entirely uncalled for"
<Vortis> she couldnt have told you what she told you in any way?
<Gerrard> she could change my mind, i don't think she' capable
<Smallpete> /
<Gerrard> hell if i know what shell i'll join, ugg
<Gerrard> i understand cyn's position, and i feel sorry forhim
<Vortis> how is she going to apologize to u even if she really would if u have her blisted haha
<Gerrard> but one of his replies when i explained the situation to him was also "*** off"
From: Zannefair
Title: FINAL FANTASY XI
Message: i was tryn to apologise w u ~ i guess if u wanna air our disagreement w everyone in the world then there isnt ne more to say
Marked message as read.
<Vortis> he said he was feeling the alcohol tho
<Gerrard> first i heard of this
<Vortis> im sure to him it sounded very witty
<Gerrard> meh, perhaps,
<Gerrard> it's just a sign of covering for his wife, which i could tolerate
<Gerrard> for a little
<Gerrard> but i won't tolerate this abuse at al
<Gerrard> all*
<Gerrard> she needs to publicly apologize that she was a ***, or whatever word she wants to use
<Gerrard> and that it was entirely uncalled for
<Gerrard> and she'll try to not do it again
<Smallpete> ur askin for much
<Gerrard> i know, that's why i'm leaving
<Smallpete> bah
<Gerrard> i'm leaving because i know that's asking too much of z
<Gerrard> to ask her to be a decent human being
<Smallpete> lol
<Gerrard> she has it so ingrained in her head that she's always right, and there's no changing that
<Smallpete> so this is gonna break up too?
<Gerrard> and if that includes telling me to *** off,
<Gerrard> possibly, not sure
<Smallpete> or just PG
<Gerrard> that's what i'm here to see
<Gerrard> if z goes, cyn probably goes
<Smallpete> she said she wasnt comin
<Gerrard> your call if you want me to go or cyn + z to go
<Cynric> ger, she appologized to you several times and im guessing you had her on blist so you never saw it
<Cynric> why so much drama
<Gerrard> yeah, her idea of a apology is "sorry for using cuss words" not "sorry for being a total ***"
<Gerrard> i blisted her after that,
<Cynric> its woman ger
<Gerrard> no, it's z
<Bidan> man i swear this sounds familar
<Bidan> i could swear idd said the same thing
<Smallpete> idk cyn is there bloody stuff in the bathroom atm?
<Bidan> but then again seem like idd just wanted to elave
<Smallpete> that would explain much lol
<Gerrard> idd was also a ***, lol
<Bidan> and used her as excuse to leave and to justify it
<Cynric> come tomarrow she wont even remember you had a fight
<Gerrard> cyn, if she's willing and capable of making a public apology taking all responsibility for going completely
<Gerrard> out of line
<Gerrard> i can stay, and it can go
<Kingaklag> ï'Hello!ï(
<Smallpete> welcome king
<Gerrard> yo king, sorry you just signed into good drama
<Smallpete> grats on Black belt
<Cynric> i would rather the situation just go away, playing it out in public wont help that
<Gerrard> indeed, ï'/cheerï( king,d
<Kingaklag> its all good ty ^^
<Gerrard> i'm sick and tired of this privilege z has, that she doens't have to be a nice human being
<Gerrard> that the rules don't apply to her
<Smallpete> `why publicly how bout just me ill be nutral metiator
<Gerrard> i will not take "*** off" lying down
<Gerrard> nor will i take any settlement where she is not entirely at fault
<Vortis> gerr
<Gerrard> it wasn't just that, she said it and several variants several itmes in /tell when i was polite and saying "please don
<Cynric> as things go thats not really that bad ger, i think she was jsut saying go away
<Gerrard> don't do that, it's rude to do that"
<Vortis> she meant to tell u off, but she didnt mean to cuss
<Vortis> is what im egetting
<Gerrard> yeah, well, i don't want her telling me off,
<Cynric> idk, fight if you want, but there is no winning for either of you
<Vortis> she said sry in that way
<Gerrard> ok, then i walk
<Vortis> tell her not to do it again?
<Cynric> im sure you have told her off before
<Gerrard> if she can't be a decent human being and apologize for a mistake, and mean it, then i'm gone
<Bidan> so you leaving us too then
<Gerrard> i make mistakes, i apologize
<Cynric> if not shes deserved it, and well you have too, and its just so much ***
<Cynric> shes appologized several times, but your blisting self didnt see it
<Vortis> gerr listen, this is what it was
<Smallpete> ok so obviously she not her right now right.......
<Smallpete> let do a run
<Gerrard> i'm not doing a run with z now,
<Cynric> and at this piont i would rather the whole situation go away, its becoming more about making each other
<Vortis> she told u off bcuz she was unhappy that when she asked u to come on shan run, u tried to lead it
<Gerrard> is she willing to say it's all her fault, and not try to cop out?
<Cynric> back down then about the situation
<Gerrard> i'm not interested in listening to a cop out situation
<Gerrard> i'm not interested in listening to a cop out apology
<Cynric> nothing is all anyones fault
<Vortis> gerr
<Gerrard> i'm interested in listening to her say she's wrong,
<Gerrard> yes, it's her fault
<Vortis> read last thing i said plz
<Gerrard> yes, it's her fault, and that's why i'm leaving
<Vortis> read it gerr
<Gerrard> what? i merely suggested that we wait for the group to decide as i was not sure what jobs we should come
<Cynric> im going to the bathroom... after that if you want to kill monsters im game, but this fighting
<Gerrard> the entire thing started with her asking my advice
<Gerrard> on what jobs to come
<Vortis> she thinks u tried to take over lead
<Cynric> over a stepped on penis just is not very interesting
<Gerrard> what? she asked me for advice, and then tells me to *** off
<Vortis> she asked u for strat?
<Gerrard> i have the log if anyone cares
<Gerrard> yes, she specifically did
<Cynric> idk ger, we all know you have no social skills and she has none either
<Cynric> so just let it go
<Smallpete> she tell ger to pick every run
<Gerrard> i have the log if anyone cares, willing to email it out,
<Smallpete> so id see the problem with ger doin it
<Vortis> i think i see
<Gerrard> she takes full responsibility, or i'm gone, this is not negotiable,
<Bidan> jesus
<Smallpete> omg we need springer in here, give them some chairs to throw
<Vortis> /l z he says u asked him what jobs to bring and then didnt like his answer
<Gerrard> the best thing for the group is to continue on without me btw,
<Gerrard> i'm cool with that
<Gerrard> i'll email out attendence sheet if you want that tooo
<Smallpete> omg this is about that stupid shanttoo fight?
<Vortis> same thing
<Bidan> dam you luarina!
<Gerrard> this is about her telling me to *** off, grow up, etc.
<Gerrard> and my asking her politely to refrain from such things, only to get more
<Gerrard> then later she apologizes for using cuss words, instead of for the content of telling me off with no reason
<Gerrard> after she asked me for advice
<Gerrard> that's what this is about
<Smallpete> well he asked my opion same did you Z
<Vortis> why does this have to interrupt salvage, exactly?
<Gerrard> because i won't be with z
<Gerrard> so, pick,
<Bidan> o god can we move on lets do salvage
<Smallpete> and we did with the strat i sugestted to both of you
<Gerrard> the funny thing enough is we did end up talking about it together, in town
<Gerrard> like i wanted, lols
<Vortis> wtf z and gerr this sounds so motherfucking stupid
<Vortis> it doesnt sound like its about anything really
<Gerrard> well, i'm don't feel like listening to vortis either at the moment, so i'm going to assume you're doing the run witho
<Gerrard> without me
<Vortis> it sounds like its about u 2 rubbing each other the wrong way
<Gerrard> ï'/tellï( me if that changes
From: Zannefair
Title: FINAL FANTASY XI
Message: u know all u EVER REALLY needed to do was TALK to me - no u have to put it in salvage ls and w/e else ur gonna publish it ->
that to me sez ur childish u proved it to me ger so no YOU owe ME an apology for taking over
Marked message as read.
>>Cynric : so somehow i now owe her an apology, this is why i'm leaving shell,
Cynric>> cant you just not fight
>>Cynric : not when she can tell me to *** off and grow up with impunity, no
>>Cynric : i have some self worth,
Cynric>> you can tell her the same thing
>>Cynric : that's a lie and we both know it,
Cynric>> it all seems pretty hollow imo
>>Cynric : having a feeling of respect for oneself, the right not being put down with impunity,
>>Cynric : this ***happened in high school, it ends there,
>>Cynric : i will not associate with such people,
Cynric>> it happens throughout all of human existance
>>Cynric : she does not have the right to tell me to *** off and grow up when she asked for my advice
>>Cynric : and did not like it
Cynric>> and i think she does respect you
>>Cynric : and for all of human existence, people chose to distance themselves from such jackasses
Cynric>> i think your making more of this than it should be, we are fighting about stuff in /tell....
Cynric>> seriously, there are enough real offenses, thats not one to focus on
Cynric>> lets go salvage
>>Cynric : it's not the offense, it's that she thinks it's ok, and she'll do it more
From: Zannefair
Title: FINAL FANTASY XI
Message: i respect u as a person you dont respect me i respect how u do ur jobs u dont respect my brain i asked for opinion i didnt ask u
to take over
Cynric>> come on, lets salvage
>>Cynric : please don't make me blist you too
Cynric>> for what?
>>Cynric : for bugging me, telling me to ignore my self respect and come

#### some time later

From: Zannefair
Title: FINAL FANTASY XI
Message: you know if u and i just TALK we can fix this y cut ur nose off and not get gear??? we were friends we can still BE friends if we
TALK
Marked message as read.

#### shortly later

Cynric>> come on...i like the way you call cells

#### some time later

From: Zannefair
Title: FINAL FANTASY XI
Message: do u realize I DO NOT WANT U TO LEAVE?????
Marked message as read.

### Next day. Note that Crookedfence is one of Zannefair's mules.

Crookedfence>> u willing to talk??
>>Crookedfence : yes
Crookedfence>> look we been friends for a long time
Crookedfence>> lets get over this
Crookedfence>> the ls needs u and u dont really wanna quit
Crookedfence>> and ur the life of salvage
Crookedfence>> sure we can do it w out u we dont WANT to
Crookedfence>> u got me very pissed off im sorry i didnt step back and act more rational
Crookedfence>> next time i get pissed off i will
Crookedfence>> just stop
Crookedfence>> and not talk till im not 'pissed off'
Crookedfence>> maybe that would change things
Crookedfence>> what do u think??
>>Crookedfence : that we're getting closer to an acceptable state,
Crookedfence>> well could u concede that it appeard to me u were tryn to take over? something i had worked for for idk 3
Crookedfence>> weeks or longer
Crookedfence>> all i was doin was asking ur opinin i had it all planned already
>>Crookedfence : you asked me for advice, i suggested we wait and ask the group, you told me to *** off
>>Crookedfence : that is the rough chain of events
>>Crookedfence : you have control issues
>>Crookedfence : and are a hypocrite
Crookedfence>> i dont believe i am
Crookedfence>> you have control issues
>>Crookedfence : ï'Good bye.ï(
Added to blacklist.

#### That's /blacklist add Crookedfence.
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I read almost 2/3rd of the story and all I can contribute is this:

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By Titan.Tails 2010-06-02 00:34:28
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I think everyone on the server understands that Zannefair is a horrible player. I did Dynamis with Piratesgold once and all she does is scream in /sh at people. It's best to never talk to her, mainly because it's near impossible to understand her, and when you do, it usually pisses you off.

Anyways it's a good thing you're not friends with her anymore lol.
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By Lakshmi.Snuffy 2010-06-02 00:34:42
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How about a tl;dr version for the peanut gallery?
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By Unicorn.Jewkitten 2010-06-02 00:41:20
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How about rather than posting just the chat logs.

You write a sentence or two explaining the circumstance, why you left, ect.

THEN after you explained it, you can post the chat logs as "evidence".

But to make someone read through ALL that and still not know exactly what happened.... :(
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Short version? She and Laurianna asked for my help on Shantotto fight. A hour before Z telled me asking what jobs should we bring. I say let's just wait until the 6 people show and discuss strategy. We've determined we have the right jobs. I'm just not sure the best way to do it. She says that we should decide now and not decide by committee. I mention that "i don't like that part of you". She replies "well *** u ger we can get someone else lmao".

I react as nice as humanly possible and as courteous as humanly possible, explaining to her that you cannot tell friends who you've just asked for help to "*** off" when you don't like their honest advice. She tells me to "grow up".

There's some more back and forth where I demand a full apology. She gives half apologies, and asks an apology from me for bringing it out into linkshell chat. (Demanding an apology from me? Asshat.)

Cynric is mostly neutral during the whole event and just wished it would go away silently. He plays devil's advocate for Z, though at some points he does obviously side with her against common sense. I have sympathy for Cynric's position. He is a really cool guy. I just won't put up with his wife anymore for him.
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By Titan.Gerrard 2010-06-02 00:43:18
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For Jewkitten: Sorry. I just didn't want to appear biased with my summary. Different people take it different ways. Hell, Z thinks that I tried to steal the Shantotto fight leadership away from her and that's why she told me to "*** off". Entirely unreasonable IMHO, but perhaps there's some reason to her position. I leave that to you.
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By Unicorn.Jewkitten 2010-06-02 00:43:18
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P.S. "*** Off"

XD
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By Unicorn.Jewkitten 2010-06-02 00:48:22
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People with "leadership issues" = /sadpanda

IMO every single member of an event is a viable asset, we can all discuss ***, get ***done, it does not matter who is alpha or who gets credit. All that matters is the win.

But that breaks down when people cannot respect each other.

When they respond to the competence and ideas of their members with being threatened, butthurt and /rage:/

It's really silly, the only people I EVER hear tell others to grow up are those who themselves are not mentally or emotionally mature:(
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By Unicorn.Jewkitten 2010-06-02 00:50:16
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"Position" is worthless if the "Leader" does not give Respect and are not Respectable.

Position is not just established/taken, it must be maintained by being Worthy, Rational and Skilled.
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By Asura.Shiroineko 2010-06-02 02:36:50
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Mmkay, well, nice drama story. I can fully understand just why you were so insulted by the way she treated you, and why you would demand a public (humiliating) apology for how she acted.

What I cannot really comprehend is why you CARE so much. I would assume it has something to do with RL experiences and bad memories (hint of high school life in there somewhere) - but it was a little extreme. Understandable, but extreme.

The ultimatum was a nice touch. You go or they go. And leave it completely up to the LS to choose, that's just nice. Put the pressure on to who knows how many people, who hardly know both sides of the story. As convincing as your side was, I'm sorry to say I try not to bias my opinions without seeing both sides of the argument. However, I will not be seeing her side, thank heavens. Just the way she spoke, both abbreviations and 'condescending' tone, put me on edge. Still, I will not hold a biased opinion to this.

While I wholeheartedly admit from your perspective she deserves to offer a true heart-felt apology, I would also say you owe her one as well. Not for bringing it to LS chat as she (pretty much) commanded, but for not allowing her at least the chance to explain and apologize for herself. From the brief glances I saw into her perspective, she seemed truly hurt, and you not even willing to listen to her was just rude. Perhaps almost as rude as she was earlier, but that is just my opinion.

Whichever happens, seeing as how we never got a true ending to this drama-filled tale, it would seem best for both of you to suck up your pride, smile grimly, shake hands, and try not to bite each other's fingers off. You are both at fault, regardless of who did more, and both deserve an apology for how the other one acted.
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By Titan.Kautamer 2010-06-02 05:52:01
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Titan.Gerrard said:
### Next day. Note that Crookedfence is one of Zannefair's mules.

Crookedfence>> u willing to talk??
>>Crookedfence : yes
Crookedfence>> look we been friends for a long time
Crookedfence>> lets get over this
Crookedfence>> the ls needs u and u dont really wanna quit
Crookedfence>> and ur the life of salvage
Crookedfence>> sure we can do it w out u we dont WANT to
Crookedfence>> u got me very pissed off im sorry i didnt step back and act more rational
Crookedfence>> next time i get pissed off i will
Crookedfence>> just stop
Crookedfence>> and not talk till im not 'pissed off'
Crookedfence>> maybe that would change things
Crookedfence>> what do u think??

I've known Zannefair since 2004, and this is the best apology I've seen from Zannefair. You may want to reevaluate your position or leaving CorsairShip because you didn't get an apology from her. If I had that same apology she gave you she would still be on my Friend's List.
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By Asura.Oncilla 2010-06-02 06:15:11
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Shorten it up if you want to make a point.

Only people that are srsly bored, know you, or know her give a *** to read that all.
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By Sylph.Beelshamen 2010-06-02 06:26:26
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Zannefair>> u just wanna complicate things alla time


Alla time.


Allah time.


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By semimmortal 2010-06-02 06:33:48
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Asura.Oncilla said:
Shorten it up if you want to make a point.

Only people that are srsly bored, know you, or know her give a *** to read that all.
Titan.Gerrard said:
Short version? She and Laurianna asked for my help on Shantotto fight. A hour before Z telled me asking what jobs should we bring. I say let's just wait until the 6 people show and discuss strategy. We've determined we have the right jobs. I'm just not sure the best way to do it. She says that we should decide now and not decide by committee. I mention that "i don't like that part of you". She replies "well *** u ger we can get someone else lmao".

I react as nice as humanly possible and as courteous as humanly possible, explaining to her that you cannot tell friends who you've just asked for help to "*** off" when you don't like their honest advice. She tells me to "grow up".

There's some more back and forth where I demand a full apology. She gives half apologies, and asks an apology from me for bringing it out into linkshell chat. (Demanding an apology from me? Asshat.)

Cynric is mostly neutral during the whole event and just wished it would go away silently. He plays devil's advocate for Z, though at some points he does obviously side with her against common sense. I have sympathy for Cynric's position. He is a really cool guy. I just won't put up with his wife anymore for him.
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By Asura.Oncilla 2010-06-02 06:34:56
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semimmortal said:
Asura.Oncilla said:
Shorten it up if you want to make a point.

Only people that are srsly bored, know you, or know her give a *** to read that all.
Titan.Gerrard said:
Short version? She and Laurianna asked for my help on Shantotto fight. A hour before Z telled me asking what jobs should we bring. I say let's just wait until the 6 people show and discuss strategy. We've determined we have the right jobs. I'm just not sure the best way to do it. She says that we should decide now and not decide by committee. I mention that "i don't like that part of you". She replies "well *** u ger we can get someone else lmao".

I react as nice as humanly possible and as courteous as humanly possible, explaining to her that you cannot tell friends who you've just asked for help to "*** off" when you don't like their honest advice. She tells me to "grow up".

There's some more back and forth where I demand a full apology. She gives half apologies, and asks an apology from me for bringing it out into linkshell chat. (Demanding an apology from me? Asshat.)

Cynric is mostly neutral during the whole event and just wished it would go away silently. He plays devil's advocate for Z, though at some points he does obviously side with her against common sense. I have sympathy for Cynric's position. He is a really cool guy. I just won't put up with his wife anymore for him.
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Did not see.

Proving my point, does not care. XD

But I'mma read nao.
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By Asura.Oncilla 2010-06-02 06:40:31
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There's no reason to leave a LS (Which I'm guessing CorsairShip is) over such a trivial matter.
If you truly do have an issue with the way she treats you, just move on with it and ignore her.
Don't help her until she full-heartedly apologizes for her actions.

People in a MMO need each other to advance, you can't just tell a friend to "*** off" and then still expect to get help from them.

If the LS (again, I don't know if it is) doesn't approve, then maybe you should find a more reliable one that doesn't bend to the will of a person just because it's a female.
(That was in reply to that guy that sided with her instead of common sense.)
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By semimmortal 2010-06-02 07:03:06
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From the way I read it, the OP sounded like he was overreacting. She's easy mode compared to the girls(?) I've faced in FFXI.
I mean... she even apologized multiple times, but you had to keep bringing in the "you hurt me". Man up and keep staring at that motivation pic I've posted above.
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Pic related:

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Ger, what was the final setup for your ASA fight? My group is doing its final attempt at a DD strat tonight. I think we're on like attempt 8 or so. If we don't get it tonight we're saying *** it and getting some SMNs to burn us through.

Back on topic, I think the situation was drawn out way too long, but I probably would've /blisted even quicker than you did.
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By Phoenix.Miraun 2010-06-02 08:10:38
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I can make up logs too:

Oncilla>> OMG, I love you
>>Oncilla I know babe, you told me that 5 minutes ago
Oncilla>> I wanted to tell you again, because you're that *** awesome
Beelshaman>> Sup dude, just wanted to tell you that you kick ***. All those peeps are nubs.
Krizz>> You busy? This pt sucks and we need ur 1337 Deeps to make it suck less.
Jewkitten>> LoLbutts.
Oncilla>> Want 2 cyber?
>>Oncilla Sure


True story. Cross server and all.
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By Sylph.Lotusbluete 2010-06-02 08:44:36
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Ramuh.Krizz said:
Ger, what was the final setup for your ASA fight? My group is doing its final attempt at a DD strat tonight. I think we're on like attempt 8 or so. If we don't get it tonight we're saying *** it and getting some SMNs to burn us through.

I did that fight right after it came out ... were 3/6 friends and shouted for 3 random players. Actually we wanted to try a normal party setup strategy as there was nothing on wiki about it yet. Then, when we had the last 3 members, someone was like “Let’s try to SMN burn it” and we found out 5/6 of us had SMN. 6th had BST. So we went in, tried it like that and of course won.

You say you wanna try DD strat? Some of my friends (who dont have SMN) did that. What exactly was your strategy and what went wrong? Maybe I can help you :P
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2010-06-02 10:03:28
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Sylph.Lotusbluete said:
Ramuh.Krizz said:
Ger, what was the final setup for your ASA fight? My group is doing its final attempt at a DD strat tonight. I think we're on like attempt 8 or so. If we don't get it tonight we're saying *** it and getting some SMNs to burn us through.

I did that fight right after it came out ... were 3/6 friends and shouted for 3 random players. Actually we wanted to try a normal party setup strategy as there was nothing on wiki about it yet. Then, when we had the last 3 members, someone was like “Let’s try to SMN burn it” and we found out 5/6 of us had SMN. 6th had BST. So we went in, tried it like that and of course won.

You say you wanna try DD strat? Some of my friends (who dont have SMN) did that. What exactly was your strategy and what went wrong? Maybe I can help you :P
We've changed it so many times. I don't want to hijack this thread though. I just want to know their working strat.

We've done variations of WHM, WHM, DRK, MNK, XXX, XXX. Last two jobs have been combinations of SMN, THF, PLD, COR, and I think SAM or other DD jobs... I think that's it. We do better each attempt, but we just can't get that final oomph (as in 2%-4% left...) to completely kill one of them before wiping. One attempt I think we had 5% on the second Shan left before running out of time. It's just very, very frustrating.
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By Cerberus.Stalkster 2010-06-02 10:34:11
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lol, did'nt read all of it but when i was on titan CorsairShip sucked anyways prolly better you left. I remember 1 time we where in sky and CorsairShip wiped to despot with 18ppl(with 2pld's), we took it at 48% with rdm x2 and sam.
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By Asura.Funkatron 2010-06-02 10:57:06
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God dammit op, you wasted so much of my time.... this has been by far the lamest rage quit ever.

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By Leviathan.Catnipthief 2010-06-02 11:03:55
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tl;dr
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By Alexander.Eyelyn 2010-06-02 11:26:18
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I really can't believe I wasted part of my day reading this post. To the OP: This is a game. Learn to let things go. It's not like you're being very respectful either. Hanging out the dirty laundry just shows that you aren't mature enough to handle the situation. You aren't building any respect for yourself by doing so either.
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By Diabolos.Sovereign 2010-06-02 11:33:02
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Asura.Oncilla said:
you can't just tell a friend to "*** off" and then still expect to get help from them.

lol I tell this to members of my linkshell all the time, and they come back at me with the same ***. Members of my linkshell are constantly ragging on each other, giving each other loads of *** for no reason BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT FRIENDS DO lol Sure, we've had players leave the linkshell because they couldnt handle it. Though even through all this ***talk with each other, most understand it's friendly and we still manage to accomplish more together than most other linkshells.

Honestly, if you cant take a little ***from people you consider friends then you really do need to grow up. After reading most of the conversation (because I really am just that bored), I personally feel the OP took this WAY too seriously and probably would have told him to shut the *** up and wipe the sand out of his vagina.
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By Asura.Funkatron 2010-06-02 11:41:07
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This is a real rage quit!
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