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PLD + Hauby, yay or nay?
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By Sylph.Hitetsu 2010-05-07 13:53:36
I know this has probably been brought up several times, but I'm looking for a simple, straight up answer.
A friend of mine asked me what TP body he should use on his 75 PLD, I recommend the Hauby +1 he uses on his NIN, SAM, WAR.
His Reply: "I'm not using a Hauby on PLD"
Mine: "..Why?"
"It's stupid"
"...Tell me why it's stupid"
"It just is"
So, PLD's and Math addicts alike. Is there any unbelievably, ungodly detrimental effects for a PLD while wearing Hauby+1?
My reasoning behind using it:
1. +15 acc (12 acc, DEX+6 -> 3 acc)
2. +15 attack (12 att, STR+6 -> 3 att)
3. lolPLDEvasion
I'm not going to pretend to know how to gear a PLD perfectly, I don't have it levelled yet, but I'm in the process of levelling it on another char.
I'm looking at this purely from a TP Standpoint, not factoring Hauby into WS.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-07 13:55:15
Haub+1 is great for HNMs for attonment spam tp build.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-05-07 13:58:47
Hauby+1 is the best TP body for Paladin except Nocturnus Mail.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-05-07 14:00:01
Only pieces that beat Haub +1 for Atonement TP are Nocturnus Mail and situationally Ares's Cuirass (high buff situations)... go for it.
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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-05-07 14:00:51
Bahamut.Raenryong said: Hauby 1 is the best TP body for Paladin except Nocturnus Mail.
This
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Asura.Atua
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By Asura.Atua 2010-05-07 14:01:03
If he has one... why not? Not a whole lot of acc bodies for pld anyway. I've never been a fan of using haub myself, only cause I'm paranoid about -stats.
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By Kujata.Akeda 2010-05-07 14:01:54
Quote: "...Tell me why it's stupid"
"It just is"
This is what elementary school kids people say when they don't have a valid reason.
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2010-05-07 14:02:05
It's the only AH-able option available for a PLD's TP build (other than the NQ). Unless he has Ares, or some other endgame gear comparable to Hauby.
-edit- Except lol Byrnie >_>
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By Asura.Atua 2010-05-07 14:04:30
There's avalon breastplate, if he's looking for something else, comes with enmity too, /shurg
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By Sylph.Hitetsu 2010-05-07 14:11:22
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks "PLD's dont wear Hauby" was the worst possible excuse for it..
Thanks for the replies guys, I'm glad I wasn't going wrong recommending it!
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By Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra 2010-05-07 14:14:02
YAYAYAYYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-05-07 14:14:05
Haubergeon is doubly-good for, say, a merit level party (I know it never happens but just for the sake of argument, let's say you get a party on DD PLD). -20 EVA means a roughly 10% chance less to Evade, which will increase your block rate by +10% to compensate. THat means 10% more shield procs, where every Shield Proc gives +5 TP. So even better for an Atonement build.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-07 14:17:15
If you're tanking bubbly bernie, sure, Eternius, but other than that, Haub+1 isn't going to dock your evasion a single bit because any mob worth a *** is already going to be capping their acc vs a pld.
Edit: Nvm not even for bernie, as your eva will be capped as well and even w/ the -20, still be capped.
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-05-07 14:20:55
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: If you're tanking bubbly bernie, sure, Eternius, but other than that, Haub 1 isn't going to dock your evasion a single bit because any mob worth a *** is already going to be capping their acc vs a pld. Assuming capped merits, your evade rate isn't going to be floored until you get to roughly LV83 mobs, though it will be low, yes. With merits, it goes up a level, of course, to 84.
Regardless, that's assuming you never use Flash or your mages never use Blind (Blahblahblah Blind is useless because PLD isn't an EVA tank to begin with).
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By Bahamut.Ericcheco 2010-05-07 14:21:10
You can possibly do Homam Body, it offers comparable accuracy, not so much attack (you might more then likey hit for ZERO more often with it)
if your /scared about the -Agl and evasion on for some reason on te hauby, Homam body has none of those.
I would say Yay for HNM tanking, your not going to evaid $#*& regarless + you need acc and attack for attonment biuld.
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Asura.Delos
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By Asura.Delos 2010-05-07 14:22:20
Honestly to tell you the truth havent looked at numbers hardcore like but i figure Avalon Breastplate would be better for a PLD more than Hauby +1. I have both and use the Avalon more than Hauby. I dont like the -eva from Hauby. You get 13 acc from Ava and only 12 from +1. I kno you get 6 dex to follow it but for 1 handers if im right is a little different from 2handed weaps. Not to mention the 7 vit mnd chr from Avalon can help with hate curing as well as def. If im messing around then ill go fro hauby+1 just because of the attack as well but when sh%$ hits the fan im in Avalon. Hope this helps any.
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-05-07 14:24:10
Haubergeon+1 gives 15 ACC, so that's more than Avalon. You should be curing yourself in Koenig body or Iron Ram Hauberk since max HP is all that matters.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-05-07 14:28:28
Avalon Breastplate is a hybrid piece; not the best in the slot for anything (I don't think?). Big waste of gil unless you get one given to you.
AND it looks ugly.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-05-07 14:34:34
Sylph.Hitetsu said: I know this has probably been brought up several times, but I'm looking for a simple, straight up answer.
A friend of mine asked me what TP body he should use on his 75 PLD, I recommend the Hauby 1 he uses on his NIN, SAM, WAR.
His Reply: "I'm not using a Hauby on PLD"
Mine: "..Why?"
"It's stupid"
"...Tell me why it's stupid"
"It just is"
So, PLD's and Math addicts alike. Is there any unbelievably, ungodly detrimental effects for a PLD while wearing Hauby 1?
My reasoning behind using it:
1. 15 acc (12 acc, DEX 6 -> 3 acc)
2. 15 attack (12 att, STR 6 -> 3 att)
3. lolPLDEvasion
I'm not going to pretend to know how to gear a PLD perfectly, I don't have it levelled yet, but I'm in the process of levelling it on another char.
I'm looking at this purely from a TP Standpoint, not factoring Hauby into WS.
Unless you're in an idle/refresh/cure macro set, Haub +1 is irreplaceble. Homam body is okay but people like to neglect the +attack on Haubergeon. There's also a common misconception that PLD has bad accuracy, the biggest problem is hitting for 0, Homam body and Avalon do nothing to change that. And in the unlikely event accuracy is capped, use Ares. You'll never need evasion as PLD, ever.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-07 14:38:04
Quote: There's also a common misconception that PLD has bad accuracy, the biggest problem is hitting for 0
They do have bad accuracy, they just also have bad attack.
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Leviathan.Celestinia
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By Leviathan.Celestinia 2010-05-07 14:49:13
The option i've been using is nuevo with acc+10 and fastcast +5. Hauby+1 would be better but I sold mine while back =/
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-05-07 14:52:24
NQ hauby is like 80k on Bismarck, way to ruin an ACP body.
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By Leviathan.Celestinia 2010-05-07 15:05:13
Bismarck.Dracondria said: NQ hauby is like 80k on Bismarck, way to ruin an ACP body.
Iron ram body is more enmity than ACP, so i could say the same to those who put enmity on their body.
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2010-05-07 15:08:21
Leviathan.Celestinia said: Bismarck.Dracondria said: NQ hauby is like 80k on Bismarck, way to ruin an ACP body.
Iron ram body is more enmity than ACP, so i could say the same to those who put enmity on their body. Actually, regarding that, I was wondering if there was any other recommendable augment other than Enmity +5 on ACP body. Fast Cast is definitely a keeper, though.
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By Leviathan.Celestinia 2010-05-07 15:11:45
Ragnarok.Anye said: Leviathan.Celestinia said: Bismarck.Dracondria said: NQ hauby is like 80k on Bismarck, way to ruin an ACP body. Iron ram body is more enmity than ACP, so i could say the same to those who put enmity on their body. Actually, regarding that, I was wondering if there was any other recommendable augment other than Enmity 5 on ACP body. Fast Cast is definitely a keeper, though.
If you are using it as a macro piece for fast cast only then no. If you are using it for enmity as well use iron ram. If you are using it as tp piece then acc+10. That's pretty much it from what I see.
Leviathan.Abriel
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By Leviathan.Abriel 2010-05-07 15:45:28
acp body definitely throws things off, just remember that -20 eva on haub isn't a debatable point since pld's don't evade, enemies miss... lol
haub(+1) wins in any case where you're able to TP outside of using excalibur where the +hp of homam can have an effect on your damage. if you're unable to tp on the enemy, it'd be better to stick to valhalla/darksteel+1(or coarl+1 if the threat is magic damage)/ares even vermy. or any piece with decent hp.
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By Cerberus.Eanae 2010-05-07 15:49:21
Avalon is ***for Atonement tanking and you suck if you use it as such. Haub +1 or bust.
Leviathan.Celestinia
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By Leviathan.Celestinia 2010-05-07 15:57:07
Only reason I use ACP instead of haub is it's more macro friendly since slots I can change with 1 button is limited and I don't like using multiple buttons at once because lag messes it up.
If i'm hitting for 0 I manually put haub in. If I still had my +1 i'd use it a lot more since more acc.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-05-07 16:05:49
If you're on PC, get windower and use those macros to macro 6+ pieces instead.
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By Lakshmi.Ezekryu 2010-05-07 16:08:06
Or you can use Spellcast to macro in entire gearsets for fastcast, TP, enmity, +shield skill for specific spells.
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I know this has probably been brought up several times, but I'm looking for a simple, straight up answer.
A friend of mine asked me what TP body he should use on his 75 PLD, I recommend the Hauby +1 he uses on his NIN, SAM, WAR.
His Reply: "I'm not using a Hauby on PLD"
Mine: "..Why?"
"It's stupid"
"...Tell me why it's stupid"
"It just is"
So, PLD's and Math addicts alike. Is there any unbelievably, ungodly detrimental effects for a PLD while wearing Hauby+1?
My reasoning behind using it:
1. +15 acc (12 acc, DEX+6 -> 3 acc)
2. +15 attack (12 att, STR+6 -> 3 att)
3. lolPLDEvasion
I'm not going to pretend to know how to gear a PLD perfectly, I don't have it levelled yet, but I'm in the process of levelling it on another char.
I'm looking at this purely from a TP Standpoint, not factoring Hauby into WS.
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